and finally,
please cliff I have no issue telling you anything as Im saying & writing in person. please put down the bad ass routine..
p.s. I have nothing to hide and in fact I've saved my post...
it wasn't ment to offend any one of color but in a response to how you so boldly state or act to me in my opinion; as you know everything about the history of detroit which happens to a based on a lot of black producers....
it's not that big of an issue what I've stated as it's below.
Torque wrote:
John.......wtf?
That's retarded
Nobody is mad at Rich and Bone wasn't even talking about him in the article.
hahaha..
well I'd hope not (now) : it's been 20 years...that's one heck of a grudge. also richie IS associated with minimal so in an INdirect way, if you ask me, those cheap shot stabs AT MINIMAL MUSIC in general are EVERY WAY associated with richie. HOW COULD THEY NOT BE..?
my comment wasn't specifically direct at bone for the record.
you know as well as I do (in general) the black community in the early 90's hated on richie, and perhaps still do, i.e interviews. I think I once read a derick may interview where it specifically mentioned richie, the black community, and how richie was some white guy from canada coming over to detroit and then "stealing" their sound..
I know you worked with mad mike @ ur and your thoughts are very based on their thoughts. I'm sure this stance that you take is far from coming to that conclusion based on your own experience and nothing more than their thoughts leaking over into your molded opinion now. as many people know mad mike is one of the most opinionated people on the planet.
it's obvious you're on their (picking sides) band wagon but come on cliff you know the "pioneers" of detroit techno all thought this.. and have mentioned hatred toward richie is numerous interviews. I think one movie that was released on dvd within the last few years, derrick says in a video the exactly thing Ive mentioned above. it's no secret cliff.
Im NOT on anyone's side, just sharing truth. I have no motive but to share the truth. I'm not going to have backwards conversation on this :
its already know. respond, Im sure you will but your picking sides not based on truth but based on being taught to think a certain way.
Torque wrote:
of course there ar Everybody knows the people he is talking about it's not a secret. That interview was targeted at certain people. If you ain't one of 'em then there's nothing to be mad about. I understand not liking the attitude because it doesn't seem very productive. However, peoples emotions run very high on this subject around here and allot of these cats are sick of being dicked around with. Think about how you would feel if you were on the other side.
care to elaborate on "the people" he's talking about..?
everyone doesn't know. please try to forgive me... I didn't have my black, detroit techno, pioneer, decoder ring on...
* meaning, I dont know who he's all talking about, I dont know him, and therefore any conclusion I would make would be based on a huge assumption on my part.
* again this was in no way based on color but how you seem to be the some sort of self proclaimed KNOW all of detroit due to your history cliff...
nothing more - nothing less...
mr. know all in the detroit black community because you worked under the ur umbrella for a few summers..you have such arrogance on so many topics it's completely obvious you mind has been washed with someone else's point of view and not your own. you tend to speak matter of fact vs. sharing a point of view. you're so programmed... try to tone it down a notch.. Please.
I mean no disrespected but your matter of fact stance kills me.
haha this is comical to me. I apologize.
serious question.
lol