the same way here. so many times i think: why is modern "pop" music so badly produced ?? if you look at the drum patterns, the melody, even the song lyrics sound the same. can't there be progression in this area of producing.steevio wrote:i analyse everything, and not only techno, every kind of music.
Maybe. What was the event/venue?steevio wrote:dude did i meet you when i played in osaka in march ?Castronova wrote:Me too. I guess "ignorance is bliss", because music was much more blissful when I didn't understand the processes involved and wasn't trying to figure out every chord used. At the same time, it can be very fun to deconstruct a song, but it's really hard to switch off that kind of [over]analyzation once you've got it.steevio wrote:you bet, it's a nightmare sometimes.dan_g wrote:hi there,
since i produce my own music, i discovered that i can't enjoy music the way i did before. i analyse every single part of a song in my mind. what has he used to achive "that" sound and which drummachine "that" would be. thats sometimes just very very exhausing. the more i listen to a single song the more i'm trying to understand, how its produced. sometimes i want to shut down my brain for the length of a song only to listen to the song and enjoy the musical aspect of it. i can't describe this feeling any better, but i'm sure there are more with the same problem out there.
hope you understand
greets and respect
dan_g
i analyse everything, and not only techno, every kind of music.
This made alot of sense to me. My understanding of "spirit" in your words is of an overall aesthetic sensibility. In other words, the common thread that binds together all worthwhile human creativity in striving for beauty.luminous wrote: studying great art keeps you in good relationship with the spirit and this is in my opinion a key to make something really special and timeless.
i think it was called Sound Channel, i think it was march 22nd.Castronova wrote:Maybe. What was the event/venue?steevio wrote:dude did i meet you when i played in osaka in march ?Castronova wrote:Me too. I guess "ignorance is bliss", because music was much more blissful when I didn't understand the processes involved and wasn't trying to figure out every chord used. At the same time, it can be very fun to deconstruct a song, but it's really hard to switch off that kind of [over]analyzation once you've got it.steevio wrote:you bet, it's a nightmare sometimes.dan_g wrote:hi there,
since i produce my own music, i discovered that i can't enjoy music the way i did before. i analyse every single part of a song in my mind. what has he used to achive "that" sound and which drummachine "that" would be. thats sometimes just very very exhausing. the more i listen to a single song the more i'm trying to understand, how its produced. sometimes i want to shut down my brain for the length of a song only to listen to the song and enjoy the musical aspect of it. i can't describe this feeling any better, but i'm sure there are more with the same problem out there.
hope you understand
greets and respect
dan_g
i analyse everything, and not only techno, every kind of music.
great post and some great recommendations.luminous wrote:unique topic! glad to see there so many people who struggle a lot and have really wide understanding of this subject,without sacrifice and suffering there is no true art
from myself i'll add one thing - read (great) books,watch (great) movies,study great art - we are not the first who have this kind of problems and looking back to labyrinth of human thoughts and discovering the timeless phrases hidden in it can really give us a strength to go this path with somewhat like blink of an eye from the masters - then you really know that you are in right place and direction. studying great art keeps you in good relationship with the spirit and this is in my opinion a key to make something really special and timeless.
my point is that there are many similar areas in all form of art worth cheking out,besides sacrifice matter through books you can easily find answers to questions that are in our belief strictly musical issue. at the point when i had the biggest crisis in my musical (and 'normal') life and was thinking about quiting i step upon henry miller and discover and read all of his inspiring works - it made me back to music with a lot more deeper interest than before.
so widen up your mindspace by other art than music can help i guess, and you can get that feeling of vacation from music, but in fact staying with it all the time.
i think i will put that qoute on my wall as well steevio. i'm 27 now and i just started making music and djing even if i wanted to do it and was thinking about it for about 10 years. the only reason i didn't do it earlier was that i couldn't afford it. i left my country 3 years ago with the intention to make my dream come true. and i did it. when i made my first track after a week in fruity loops i was the most happy person in the world and i had tears in eyes. it wasn't anything special but i knew i'v got potential.now i'v got lots of ideas, the tracks already in my head but not so much practice yet to do it in DAW.steevio wrote:one thing i can give you is don't let the age issue come into it.Dusk wrote:I certainly gave up on the myth of "making it" with electronic music a long time ago. I think that was a turning point because from there, focussing on career and other things becomes a realised necessity and so the lifestyle duality starts. It's just that when youre younger you can effectively marginalise those other things in your life. The older you get, the balance inexorably shifts and it becomes harder to be swallowed whole in the act of making music.async wrote:Dear Dusk,
It's important to make time to further your art, but you should think about what's important to you as a person and focus on that.
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This is the crossroads and if you go one way, I suppose there is still time to reclaim a "conventional" life - go the other... well, god knows. The creative void and all that can be lost or won.
This is really about questioning something core about yourself, something that has been the only stable, certain thing you had - does this even make me happy? Am I focussing on the wrong things? Thats a pretty destabilising experience because you're talking (in my case) around 10 years of personal bedrock, a decade of personal orientation.
its hard to imagine when you're in your early twenties that you could be doing the same thing in your early fifties and still be taken seriously, but thats what i'm doing. (well not so sure about being taken seriously) i was in a punk band at age 21, i released my first techno tune at age 37, and i'm still making EDM 15 years later.
as a musician, time becomes malleable.
dont let the illusory and claustrophobic rules of society deflect you from your heart.
here's a quote from my bathroom wall;
'' Whatever you dream you can do, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Begin it now.'' - Goethe
i did it long before i started to make music. it was magic for me:) i always wanted to know how they do it,was analyzing every part of the song:)hi there,
since i produce my own music, i discovered that i can't enjoy music the way i did before. i analyse every single part of a song in my mind. what has he used to achive "that" sound and which drummachine "that" would be. thats sometimes just very very exhausing. the more i listen to a single song the more i'm trying to understand, how its produced. sometimes i want to shut down my brain for the length of a song only to listen to the song and enjoy the musical aspect of it. i can't describe this feeling any better, but i'm sure there are more with the same problem out there.
