live from our bedrooms

[faunty]

I love playing live in my bedroom for 3-5 people

can I come over?

oh and Daniel from Halifax - thanks for stepping up to the plate - listenining to your speakeasy Cadenze set - :drool: that's the point of this thread

[faunty]

I think the idea of this thread should be reposted in the DJ's and Livesets forum- as simply a call out to amateur DJ's to post without pretension

[shypht]

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[dsat]

i have more problems with people supposedly doing a liveset with their laptops and only muting and unmuting channels and pushing the play button as opposed to people who are actually performing live... regardless of the tools being used

djs who use FS play the same way as vinyl dj's, maybe with some software help, i dunno, i'm not familiar with FS
but it still is the same thing, it remains a hands-on approach
it's just a matter of preference
i like my vinyl and will drag my record bags anywhere till my back aches
i don't mind (yet), but argueing about who's a real dj or not based on the tools they're using is pointless

there's enough other fakeness going on
what about dj's who put on a cd and then pretend to be playing
seen it so many times, even on festivals, it's so fucking ridiculous
i even pity these people...
if you don't want to commit then stay home

[isa]

i have more problems with people supposedly doing a liveset with their laptops and only muting and unmuting channels and pushing the play button as opposed to people who are actually performing live... regardless of the tools being used

i have the same problem, you couldn't have said it better!

[AVX23]

I think it just sucks for people who have been dj-ing for quite some time and learned the good old fashioned way that they now see people just buying some software and don't even have to develop any skill to start mixing.
I think that's the reason why some people still kinda have a problem with it.

Dude - I've been DJ-ing vinyl since I was 17, I got to the stage of playing 3 decks, and even Decks and FX, I got to the stage where it was unsatisfying to play other peoples music all the time.

i ended up buying a lot of lock groove stuff and layering it up, chopping it together and then was like, hmm not much melody here, could do with some strings, and I can't be assed keeping these beats in time, it's distracting me from the end result, a danceable, entertaining peice of music.

so for me - the digital thing is an evolution, if people who have learned the old fashioned way can't embrace new technology, then they are no better than the guitarists, drummers and whatnot that slated the whole electronic thing for not being real music and unfair to musicians who had learned their trade the hard way.

Take Surgeon, Hawtin etc, they both used vinyl from the start of their careers and have now moved into digital setups, I rarely hear complaints about their sets, I seen Surgeon playing a lo key gig recently in Edinburgh and he detroyed the place, he didn't even seem to be using headphones and spent a lot of time at his laptop tweaking things, he set was blistering, exciting, hard as nails and had people going nuts.

I think whoever is complaining about crappy MP3's or crappy digital mixing software is uninformed quite frankly and hasn't seen the good sh!t, matt dear is another example of an artist that used digital mixing to the max, he isn't boring, flat sounding or otherwise.

Case and point for the whole digital thing.

Listen to the 1st DE9 record - decks effects and 909 (not closer to the edit.)

Now listen to the last tracks, Rythym and sound, never tell you.

anyone who has that record will tell you - that ain't what it sounds like, it's been pitched/timestretched and looped, most likely with a digital sampler on the fly in the mix, or he's pressed a remixed version and is playing that out.

So - he's basically either used digital technology to loop the track (I think he's used 4 bars of it max) or he's made his own version.

If he was using ableton, he could have done this live on the fly, much in the same way he'd use the delay (I think he uses elextrixx gear or one of those repeater things for this from reading an old interview).

so the end result would really be the same, it's the inventive thought of goign, hmm a 4 bar loop of R+S would sound dope with this track here looped in a similar way, meaning I can use the bass from that to pad out the previous track, If you listen carefully - he's done the same with M5 as well, it makes up the bass for a couple of the tracks in that mix.

So again - it's looped, either by way of a delay, or he's cut a record of it.

the only other way to do this would be to use 3 decks, 2 playing the R+S track or M track, and another playing the track he brings in (which in some cases again , sound looped to me).

I really don't think he did do this TBH, more likely he's used a delay I'd reckon.

So this means he's playing analogue style tracks, through probably a digital mixer , and using digital effects, either that or he's re:cut versions of the tracks (probably digitally using protools or logic) and then pressed them.

so the line between digital and analogue in mixing is always a grey area.

New school stuff like FS, Serato, Ableton etc just means a lot of the messing around is removed and these neat ideas can flourish, so again I say - If you ain't down with that - you are stuck in the dark ages and deserve to get smoked by more forward thinking producers and DJs.

considering EVERYONE nowadays wants to be a DJ or producer, I think the only logical steps for anyone with a bit of talent, vision and belief in their art to raise the game dramatically in order to stand out from the pack.

Otherwise we'd be stuck in a sea of wannabes and there would be no one worth seeing, I admire the socialist principal of this, but frankly, I'd rather have the hawtins, the surgeons , the mills's of the world earning their keep by keeping on top of their game and firmly on the cutting edge of things, and making a damn good racket to boot.

saying that Djs using turntables loose out to digital mixing is like saying Neil Landstrumm should stick to using a 909/808 and 303 when there are much more exciting new machines like the machinedrum out there to use.

[Zinthek]

Hey don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying all the new software is a bad thing.
I love it
DJ-ing has just kinde of evolved alot lately, and when something evolves there are always people that have a hard time adjusting.

[AVX23]

Hey don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying all the new software is a bad thing.
I love it
DJ-ing has just kinde of evolved alot lately, and when something evolves there are always people that have a hard time adjusting.

yes - that's so true

i just make a point of ranting like this for that very reason, it is an adjustment period and soon hopefully digital will be as accepted as vinyl, but only when peoples perceptions change, there's a lot of bad press which seems to have stemmed from folk picking up little soundbytes and then using them out of context.

So yeah, sorry, i'm a bit passionate about defending the medium, as I've taken a lot of flak from purists about this sort of thing, there's a lot of people critisicing it when they know very little about it other than what they've heard on forums like this (tho this is quite a well balanced and normally clued up forum compared to others).

But yeah, I see where you are coming from - I like mixing vinyl too, I'd hate it to dissapear to be replaced entirely with digital, but I'd rather be at the front of it if that's the way it's going to go.

apart from anything else - it's saved me soo much money on buying records, it's also saved other producers and labels money, cos they don't need to send hundreds of pounds worth of promos to me - they can give me server access and I can grab what i wanna play, it just makes things so much easier and more efficient.

if only the majors had it this good