Toronto not ready for minimal...

[Cribby]

But that's the problem with Toronto really...underground is becoming commercial...

Try thinking about music with more interesting paradigms then "underground" and "commercial" and maybe you'll have something worthwhile to say.

No disrespect intended, but broadcasting this kind of stuff isn't going to do much in the way of generating any real conversation about Toronto and the music scene(s) in it or any other city. Unless of course you're just looking to bitch, in which case.. carry on.

,g

Bitching was my first intention...but it was about the lack of openmindedness and support from the crowd...who cares about the paradigms...Disregard my earlier statement.

[Semirk]

It'd be great for a scene at all within my area of the UK. Ok theres London but hardly easy to travel there often. Whether it's popular in areas or not, just be grateful for the chance to hear the music you like.

[entropy]

But seriously, how can minimal music be commercial? The whole point of minimalism is to only include what is necessary, and that just isnt the case with popular music. Where are the cheesy vocals, cuz i havent heard any? Can minimal music become more successful? Certainly! Is it a bad thing when people start listening to minimal music instead of shitty trance and house? No! The artists need the support.

It can! It doesn't matter if minimal is ''minimal'' in a structural kind of way. Music doesn't need to have ''cheesy vocals'' to become popular! People will listen to what they like, in economical terminology it's called ''selection'' (the consumers decide what will profit and what will not, depending on what they like).
The problem is that some people start listening to music ''because everybody else listens to it'', that's what happened to trance and that's what i don't want to happen to minimal! And the way it's currently going, it could easily happen...

[entropy]

haha love ur signature entropy, but you forgot the last bit: "Derrick Carter might take a pill for fun, but not to feel the funk."

LOL, true!

I wouldn't ever worry about DJ's popularizing minimal. There is a push and a lot of dj's dabbling in it. But that is just where there is a lot of quality production right now. When you have hard techno giants like beyer exploring more minimal stuff, you know the poor strictly hard techno DJ's are at a loss to find new quality tracks.

With this i agree! To some DJs (especially those who like ''exploring'', like Beyer) techno became boring, so they wanted to try themselve out in minimal, which is still quite young you could say...

[thew]

My 2 cents...

Like with the seeming popularisation of any genre there is always resistance from those within as there is a for seen fear of the commercialisation and destruction of the sound they love.

Personally I think the amount of good 'techno' released in the last year is the most exciting i have come across in years. Much of this exciting new music fits into a 'minimal' category.

I guess that there is a fine balance before a genre becomes overplayed. But if a genre remains completely, for lack of a better word, 'underground' then it limits it's growth opportunities. Its head will remain so far up its arse that it becomes irrelevant.

I think that the genre we are all here to discuss is simply experiencing a growth period, which at the moment is good for the sound. Minimal has become more relevant to the dance music world.

Is minimal the new trance? I doubt it...

Picotto playing anything that is not trance? sh!t...

Maybe we should have a listen to his new album and see if it gives any clues

http://www.meganite.co.uk/superclub/

[Cribby]

His new album doesn't have any minimal. Most of the tracks are trance-inspired hard tech tunes which is pretty awesome in my books. The Dark Room and New Time, New Place are my selection for best tracks on it.

[pheek]

Toronto is the only place where I played and cleaned a dancefloor in less than 1 song (live). Depressing.