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john clees wrote:stories can tell but artifacts are material proof.
exactly.... stories tell... artefacts are material proof... and from what i could see that documentary lacked a lot of material proof and had a lot of stories... i watched the first two episodes and it was laughable at how there was something that was unexplained or had little evidence.. from there they would always jump to the "it must be aliens" conclusions... some of the jumps to conclusions were incredible... It was filmed in such a dramatic american way, sensationalising small bits of information, blowing it way out of proportion whilst at the same time ignoring more potentially logical and rational reasons..

my favourite one was in the second episode... i think they said something along the lines of...... "it is thought that the pyramids were tombs for their Pharaohs. yet no bodies have been found in the pyramids, even when they were completely sealed so that no grave robbers could have entered... so what were the pyramids used for if not for the dead??"... cut to some "engineering expert" who jumps to the conclusion that the pyramids must have been a space ship power station beaming microwave energy to alien ships in orbit!!!! wtf???

really? come on... there's no bodies in the pyramids so it must be an intergalactic power station for orbiting ancient alien spaceships?? obviously they had their material proof to back this hypothesis up... his reasoning.. no dead body... the air vents that lead to the queens chamber weren't for air, it was in fact channels to pour chemicals (which no artefacts exist for) down so that they mixed in the queens chamber... which reacted and moved up into the kings chamber where there were resonators (which there have been no evidence for either)... the chemical reaction would create microwave energy which shot out the kings chamber air vent into space (because the air vent is point to the sky)... to refuel a spaceship..
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There was some interesting news for those of you who believe that life was spread amongst the universe by way of hitchhiking on asteroids.

It had been proved that life can exist in the unforgiving conditions of space. Scientists took some rocks from a cliff in England and left them outside of the space station for a year and a half. They were exposed to the extreme temperatures and unshielded from the cosmic rays for the duration yet when examined it was found that a startling number microbes were still alive.

What is even more amazing is that these microbes living in the rocks were not even special extremophiles. They were just ordinary everyday run of the mill microbes.

If life can exist in those conditions then I have no doubt that life can exist just about anywhere.
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john clees wrote:stories can tell but artifacts are material proof.
exactly.... stories tell... artefacts are material proof... and from what i could see that documentary lacked a lot of material proof and had a lot of stories... i watched the first two episodes and it was laughable at how there was something that was unexplained or had little evidence.. from there they would always jump to the "it must be aliens" conclusions... some of the jumps to conclusions were incredible... It was filmed in such a dramatic american way, sensationalising small bits of information, blowing it way out of proportion whilst at the same time ignoring more potentially logical and rational reasons..

my favourite one was in the second episode... i think they said something along the lines of...... "it is thought that the pyramids were tombs for their Pharaohs. yet no bodies have been found in the pyramids, even when they were completely sealed so that no grave robbers could have entered... so what were the pyramids used for if not for the dead??"... cut to some "engineering expert" who jumps to the conclusion that the pyramids must have been a space ship power station beaming microwave energy to alien ships in orbit!!!! wtf???

really? come on... there's no bodies in the pyramids so it must be an intergalactic power station for orbiting ancient alien spaceships?? obviously they had their material proof to back this hypothesis up... his reasoning.. no dead body... the air vents that lead to the queens chamber weren't for air, it was in fact channels to pour chemicals (which no artefacts exist for) down so that they mixed in the queens chamber... which reacted and moved up into the kings chamber where there were resonators (which there have been no evidence for either)... the chemical reaction would create microwave energy which shot out the kings chamber air vent into space (because the air vent is point to the sky)... to refuel a spaceship..
i've already commented on how the history channel may have been produdced for obvsious reason...

I was referring to this:
john clees wrote:also : perhaps you will like this approach a bit more..

http://www.mnml.nl/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=60317&start=0


Klaus Dona - La Historia Oculta de la Raza Humana (1 / 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clwUpwpUx-4

Klaus Dona - La Historia Oculta de la Raza Humana (2 / 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekoZByDlCw&NR=1


Klaus Dona - La Historia Oculta de la Raza Humana (3 / 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6kw89-FlOs


Klaus Dona - La Historia Oculta de la Raza Humana (4 / 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEpzbZLv-xY


Klaus Dona - La Historia Oculta de la Raza Humana (5 / 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trjsDnKeCFI
did you not watch these..?
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just skipped through some of those vids...

and i think they're as bad as the history channel vids only more boring because of his monotonous tone of voice..... but the main thing is he just talks about a lot of artefacts, says they're weird, makes some loose claims of experts says impossible, has to be something else like an ancient advanced civilisation...

like when he talking about those instruments and how they're perfect form for the hand? he never explains why they're perfect form just claims they are and that we can't make instruments like this... just glazes over the why.. and he tends to do this through the whoole vid.. just make some claims, no facts, stipulates a few conclusions that he wants you to arrive at.. its not very good basically.

its kind of like all the wackos that believe in homeopathy.. the way they try and prove their points through a lot of posturing and speculating, saying they've seen it work, but never really delving into why it works, or giving some crazy unfounded reason why it does...

anyways he does raise some interesting things, but i'm sure either its not accurate what he's saying (like with the ancient map like the pri reis map), or he's making some random stab in the dark claims (like the instruments made out of litite).. and for the truly unexplained... like most things, i'm sure eventually there will be a logical and rational explanation that doesn't involve aliens and global advanced civilisations that don't exist...

I don't tihnk i'm gonna be able to convince as you see pretty dead set on believing the fanciful... but its always worth taking a step back rationalising things, maybe making sure you've got all the facts you need before going doughy eyed...
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how do you really say it's "fact" unless you've seen it personally and/or video taped it which someone would say you can do that with editing tricks..

I saw a pretty compelling video... which I had the video it self but then found it later on you tube which showed up to 50 people: state troopers, government officials, NASA ...ect... which they all shared their story of classified events that happened through out the country.... saying they were called upon to a possible UFO and explained what they saw and were told not to tell anyone...

some stories were from people that this happened back in the 50s.. for many of them so many years had passed they didn't care and thought obligated to share they story. "testifying" that what they've said is truth and who we're willing to testify under oath...in a court of law... about what they saw.. this is just one small partial of the whole..

either way : as time continues Im sure more things will unveil themselves at a much faster rate.
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john clees wrote:how do you really say it's "fact" unless you've seen it personally and/or video taped it which someone would say you can do that with editing tricks..
this is my point of jumping to conclusions... seeing a "pretty" compelling video, or hearing of a group of people who saw an "unidentified" flying object in the sky doing some weird stuff... you can't really go from there to an intergalactic race of aliens that built our ancient civilisations..

saying that ancient artefacts because they're a bit weird and unexplained, then linking that to some weird, unexplained stuff in the sky... through the romantic rose tinted glasses of meeting aliens doesn't constitute a proper evidenced based case for ancient aliens...

its like that game 6 degrees of kevin bacon.. where you can start from any celebrity and trace them to kevin bacon through tenuous links...

its what nut job conspiracy theorists like to do...
its what defenders of homeopathy love to do...
its what religion has done for thousands of years...

i mean i don't have all the facts... but there is a lot of evidence that the pyramids were built by the egyptians and no one else.. with some good theories around how they got their accuracy... i mean if you've got a few thousand years on your hands, a sh!t load of people.... you're gonna get the best out of your tools and resources... not to mention all the drawings by egyptians, of egyptians building their pyramids..
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one's ego can pronounce things...

and then their is common sense : intuition (which is everything)

so is that it......... :?:
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ChrisCV wrote:its kind of like all the wackos that believe in homeopathy...
I have been following this thread but until this point I was willing to give your POV full credence but after reading this point I feel obliged to downgrade your perspective somewhat.

Although I am not a homeopathy nut, I do believe in the power of nature to heal in manners that do not involve unnatural chemicals produced by humans... ie... most pharmaceutical treatments and so forth...

When I was a child I used to get very bad nose bleeding and my mother took me to the doctor on a few occasions. At the last visit regarding such problems the doctor said that if it happened in the future he would refer me to a specialist and they would have my nose cauterized. I am not sure if I spelling that word correctly.. what they do is stick a burning hot metal thing onto a part that bleeds and cauterize it so that it does not bleed anymore. It achieves this by burning the tissue into scar tissue.

I imagine its pretty painful. I expressed my angst to my mother and she took me to a naturalpath who gave me a few weeks worth of of pills. I took these pills and I have had no nosebleeds since then that were not induced by sports of fighting.

I would imagine that I would not readily be one to give myself over to the inclinations of naturopathic medicine but because of my personal expericnce I must say that it should not be dismissed out of hand.
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