jobbanaught wrote:miro pajic wrote:it's true. but it's not really a "limiter". It's just that the output will not go over the 0dB border, so it's more of a clipping. I think it's the same for logic too.
so basically you could use live master buss for limiting/clipping duties...could sound ok but there's certainly other tools that are dedicated to do this.
you guys can test it simple: just load a track and adjust the master fader, so that the levels go way over 0dB. load the file back into live or any other DAW and you'll see it stops at 0dB. no need for endless speculations
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well how could a digital recording go over 0db??? inherently not possible, nothing to do with ableton or any other software
that is what I was saying! (My "it's true" was actually wrong, I meant-->) It is CLIPPING and not limiting = not the same even if kind of similar.
Nevertheless clipping
can be used in a smilar way (or work hand in hand) for creative reasons or some people would call it limiting, while it's not.
Mastering engineers clip their converters on purpose for "that" certain effect - different to "limiting",
which is working with attack, release and other (intelligent) functions to not hard clip the audio instead of radically shaving of the peaks.
NO limiter hidden. It's just digital clipping you're causing going above the 0dB (and leaving the floating point world, by rendering the audio)
I wonder who that "mastering engineer" is...
Anyway...it's pretty known by now to stay as far as possible away from the 0dB border on the mixbuss (Doesn't matter if -4dB or -10dB).
Leave the rest to the mastering stage. Amen.