Newbie Synthesis Question

- ask away
konzee
mnml newbie
mnml newbie
Posts: 41
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:49 pm

Newbie Synthesis Question

Post by konzee »

Speaking in the instance of oscillators;
lets say I have 3 opened:Pitch, X/12/19 = Detuned

are there other variations (numbers) that you can tell me that is a detune?

I know anything can be a ''detune'' (0/0/-.5 etc) but what are the popular ones like x/12/19? are there any more?
databass
mnml newbie
mnml newbie
Posts: 7
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:07 am

Post by databass »

x/3/7 sounds quite nice for stabs but the key really is in experimentation and remember to tune down as well as up to find alternative chord voices.
konzee
mnml newbie
mnml newbie
Posts: 41
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:49 pm

Post by konzee »

fantastic advice, thank you.
catchpenny
mnml newbie
mnml newbie
Posts: 51
Joined: Tue May 12, 2009 7:11 pm

Post by catchpenny »

someone posted this i think on this forum but maybe KVR

anyways:

major 0,4,7
minor 0, 3, 7
diminished 0, 3, 6
diminished7th 0,3,6,9
half diminished 0, 3, 6, 10
augmented 0, 4, 8
5th 0, 7
7th 0, 4, 7, 10
minor7th 0, 3, 7, 10
major7th 0, 4, 7, 11
min/maj7th 0, 3, 7, 11
suspended 4th 0, 5, 7
suspended 2nd 0, 2, 7
7th sus 4th 0, 5, 7, 10
7th sus 2nd 0, 2, 7, 10
added 2nd 0, 2, 4, 7
added 9th 0, 4, 7, 14
added 4th 0, 4, 5, 7
6th 0, 4, 7, 9
minor 6th 0, 3, 7, 9
9th 0, 4, 7, 10, 14
minor 9th 0, 3, 7, 10, 14
major 9th 0, 4, 7, 11, 14
AK
mnml maxi
mnml maxi
Posts: 1973
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:01 pm
Location: Worcestershire

Re: Newbie Synthesis Question

Post by AK »

konzee wrote:Speaking in the instance of oscillators;
lets say I have 3 opened:Pitch, X/12/19 = Detuned

are there other variations (numbers) that you can tell me that is a detune?

I know anything can be a ''detune'' (0/0/-.5 etc) but what are the popular ones like x/12/19? are there any more?
They can be tuned where you like, with 3 osc, you can make chords like has been described here. There are 12 chromatic notes, each defined by a semitone, so 1= 1 semitone up or down.

12 and 19 is an octave and a perfect 5th, 3 and 7 above the root is a minor chord.

Heres a few more:

R, 4, 7 = major chord
R, 3, 10 = minor 7th no fifth
R, 3, 14 = minor (add9) no fifth
R, 3, 6 = diminished chord
R, 4, 8 = augmented chord
R, 5, 7 = sus4 chord
R, 2, 7 = sus2 chord
R, 5, 13 = sus4(b9) chord, no 5th
R, 4, 10 = dom7th chord, no 5th

Theres loads you can make, could go on and on. Obviously, if you have a polyphonic synth theres no real need. Omitting certain intervals with chords that have more than 3 notes is necessary and you can usually do that with the 5th as the other notes will add the chord flavour.
User avatar
Phase Ghost
mnml maxi
mnml maxi
Posts: 712
Joined: Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:19 am
Location: Pittsburgh, US
Contact:

Post by Phase Ghost »

What do the numbers signify?

R, 3, 10

I get that R = root, but I'm not sure what the other mean. Is it semitones?
User avatar
Ingemar
mnml maxi
mnml maxi
Posts: 635
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:22 am

Post by Ingemar »

^ya, the root + that many semitones
AK
mnml maxi
mnml maxi
Posts: 1973
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:01 pm
Location: Worcestershire

Post by AK »

Phase Ghost wrote:What do the numbers signify?

R, 3, 10

I get that R = root, but I'm not sure what the other mean. Is it semitones?
Yeah, R= root and then semitones above, so if you had R, 3, 10, and the root was on 'C', you'd have a C, Eb, Bb.

I just wrote it like that, in chord terms it makes sense but in this sense, its probably more functional to use 0 instead of R.

Was thinking about this and wondered how interesting modulation would feature in this type of patch. If you could assign a separate lfo with a square waveform to modulate the pitch of each oscillator, you could 'auto generate' random chords. Ok not totally random but if each lfo for each osc had its own amount setting and speed setting, might yield some interesting results.
Post Reply