Hearing damage, Hyperacusis !

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Post by Hades »

very interesting topic !
there's very little to read about hyperacousis on the net (or anywhere at all for that matter).
there's a lot more to be found about tinnitus, for example

about 10 years ago, I was diagnosed with hyperacousis by an earspecialist.

it started with me hearing all kinds of stuff louder. or at least, it seemed louder to me.
basically I was hearing all kinds of stuff I didn't hear before, and other normal noises seemed a lot louder and/or irritating or even slightly painful.
suddenly, I could hear a dog barking many blocks away.
or I would hear the ticking of a clock a lot louder than before.
And cars would seem to make so much noise, even if I was inside a house in a quiet neighbourhood.
All little details, but it was driving me mad.
Plus if I was trying to sleep I had the feeling my ear that was turned on the bed (at the side of my head that I was resting on) was hurting, like it got too much pressure on it.

Basically my natural reflex was to stay inside as much as possible and wear headphones all the time to shut the noisy outside world out.

My dr back then was very fast and accurate (it seems) with his diagnose.
He told me it would be very wrong to shut myself out, that it would only mean I'd simply never be able to adjust to noise again if I started doing that all the time. He just told me to try and find a middle way, so that noise in general wouldn't drive me crazy but I'd still be able to live with general outside noise.

Also, he claimed that the whole hyperacousis thing is all in your brain, not in your ears. He said that normally everyone hears all these noises, but the brain filters this out with normal people, so that it doesn't bother them.
But if you suffer from hyperacousis, your brain fails to filter all that noise out, or at least some parts of it.
I'm no specialist at all, but I honestly think this would be an accurate cause if Ithink about how I've experienced hyperacousis over the years.

It never got worse than the first few weeks I had this, but it never went away completely.
I can't focus and make it go away, or anything. there's no magical trick.
but some days it's a lot more present than others.
as we speak there's a clock at approx 6 meters away from me, and I can very clearly hear the clicking all night long.

Sometimes this extra hearing comes in handy.
I remember when I was in front of a classroom once and some students were whispering to each other and I jumped into the coversation to demonstrate I could hear everything they just said. You should've seen their faces... :lol:
And sometimes it's useful for making music, I guess.

But most of the times it's just a bit of a handicap, be it a mild one that I've learned to embrace.
It's harder for me to focus when there's a lot of noise around me.
I have been working nightshifts for about 8 years now, and I'm really happy with the peace and quietness it brings.
If I walk in and the evening shift is crowded and loud, it gets on my nerves.
If I get on the crowded bus in the morning, I hide under my headphones and put on the music.
(I HATE hearing other peoples music in a bus or train)
thank god I take the train in opposite directions with the morning crowd, so I always have my peace and quiet there.
Obviously I have closed headphones for on the bus/train, even though I really prefer open or half open whenever possible. This is cause closed ones give me the "too much pressure" feeling I described earlier.

But I fear the day I decide the nightlife has been enough and I have to go to work on a crowded bus/train every morning.

I've got a 2 year old and a babbly mrs at home, and both of them talk the ears of my head, so it's not so much that I can't stand normal sound, it's just that I prefer no more noise than needed.
Sometimes it's very selective about what I can stand and what not.
For instance, if I pick up my daughter from the kindergarden and I'm inside for a few minutes, the noise of all the kids never bothers me. But if I'm outside where it's a lot more quiet since it's a calm street, just a single car passing can get on my nerves.


btw, I'm interested in getting earplugs.
any advice on those by some happy users ?

thx !
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Post by Armando_C »

http://www.sensorcom.com/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=411
Man, i've found this..this site seems to be serious about the musician promblems with the hearing.
But there is only one thing that is a mistery to me:
why there is so difference between the first that are about 20 £, and the last ones, that are about 100-150 £?
However, i also want you to know that i often see at festivals and clubs the Earplugs..and people has them.
In France seems to be a custom and it is becoming fashion.
It's not a bad thing by my point of view.
What do you think about it?
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Post by Armando_C »

For example here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_2fUMh2 ... re=related
@ 00:18 look at the guy with the white hat..he has earplugs.
Hope that i've been helpful.
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@ Armando, the difference in price is kinda like everything - it's all about the qualities they posess.

The little yellow ones you get for free at festivals across europe tend to be pretty cheap and cheerful, they filter out excessive noise levels, but still allow you to hear, it certain that you won't be getting an audiophiile level of quality though if that makes sense.

Wearing a really expensive pair, is more for DJs and engineers, it allows you to get a great picture of the sound for monitoring purposes, but will keep out the nasty.

I've tried both, the cheaper ones are not bad at all actually, but wearing the nice ones, It's more like listening to a really nice home stereo (depending on the rig you are listening to I guess).

I went to see Surgeon once and used the expensive ones, was right in the sweet spot all night - music so loud my clothes were dancing of their own accord, no ringing in my ears or ear fatigue - was fantastic, really enjoyed the gig in a way I'd not done previously.

Wish I'd had them the other night , went ot see autechre at the subclub and they litereally tried to punish us, the whole building was shaking.

Funnily enough though - my ears were fine the next day, I think a good soundsystem with no nasty resonating parts and no unnecessary distortion makes a huge difference, a lot of the hearing damage people tend to suffer from is caused by ribbish kit and porductions which don't filter out harmful frequencies, in fact - we should look into some sort of ISO standard for these things - would definately cut down on hearing problems as a result of loud music.
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price is no object if I want to get earplugs. (unless it's absurdly high, but I doubt that)

I don't see the point of getting cheap ones.

I mean, why bother building a whole studio and spending thousands on audio gear if you don't take proper care for your ears ?

A few months ago, I had a scratching sound in one of my ears whenever I moved my jaw. It turned out it was just a hair that got turned inwards and was moving over my eardrum when I moved certain muscles in my face
(one of the "nice" things about getting older as a man is hair that starts growing at ugly places you wouldn't have thought of before :roll: like one or two hairs out of my ears...)
but when the dr (a different one than the one mentioned earlier, not half as good) took a hearing test, it turns out I have slight hearing loss in my right ear.
The thing is, it's rather suspicious if you have this in only one ear.
If it would be both, it would be from listening to too much loud music, noise,...
So I had to take some pills, and a scan to see if there wasn't a brain tumor or whatever. And go back a few months later.
The scan turned out fine, so they still don't know what caused it.
The hearing has improved a little, but there' still some loss...
I asked the dr if it couldn't be related to the fact that I usually put my cellphone to my right ear, since I am aware of my ears geting warmer if I call for longer than say 5 minutes, and she said not to use a cellphone as much as possible. That there's a very reasonable chance that this is the cause.
So I try to use my cellphone as little as possible, and use both ears equally from now on.
Anyone else here have problems from cellphones ?

Anyways, I still consider myself lucky compared to others.
Apart from the small hearing loss, my ears are still quite good, and the hyperacousis is relatively easy to deal with.
But I do hope I never get tinnitus.
I'm not the kind of person that can easily "pretend it's not there", so to say.
So big ups to those that can (and must, cause it's no matter of choice I guess) !

so, earplugs.
What are some of the high quality ones out there.
I asked the dr I went to last, and she started like "these are probably the least expensive ones"
uuughhh, *sigh*
honestly, I've spend thousands on stuff that produces sounds. All that is no good if my ears are wasted.
So why the fck wouldn't I be willing to spend some cash for stuff to protect my ears ? :!:
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Post by steevio »

but remember the cheap yellow plastic ones are actually very effective, its just they make everything sound dull in a club.
however they really are blocking out the sound.

the expensive ones are more important if you're performing so you can actually hear whats going on for mixing etc., but beware they arent for everyone, my freind had some specially made, costing around £150, and he cant wear them, he says it makes him feel disconnected from the audience when he's performing, it just doesnt work for him.

i bought some sightly better ones of the web for £30 with different filters for different frequencies, but i ended up just going back to the cheap ones when clubbing, they feel like they are really protecting you.

i know other people who quite happily DJ with the expensive ones, and say that its just about practice and getting used to them.

i reckon alot of damage is caused on dancefloors by people shouting in your ear to be heard over the system. my rule - dont talk on the dancefloor just Dance !
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