Recession hitting clubs

thom · Post by **thom** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:00 pm

@no one in particular:

Arrogance.

So fecking much of it on this forum. Jeez...

henrique · Post by **henrique** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:19 pm

zentex wrote:yeh in lisbon it's been pretty slow for interesting underground names too. there's been a lot of parties here for bit more commercial names like the Get Physical posse, Gui Boratto, Ivan Smagghe, Kalkbrenner etc but it's been really weak in substance...at least for my taste. there's been a few good bookings though like Function, Regis, Move D, Andy Vaz, Omar S and such that have passed by here but really there's nothing consistent going on besides the same forementioned bigger names popping up all the time.

for me last year was okay for amount of gigs, but then again i mostly played here instead of getting some international gigs like earlier years.

and an alternative to lux is needed!

stevësto · Post by **stevësto** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:43 pm

Roof wrote: Maybe it's because you live in a different part of the world,

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And common man, Hood and Plastikman not even on the radar back in the day? Proper ridiculous statement.

yes thats exactly it. maybe in the US. plastikman was barely a blip on the radar compared to prodigy, paul oakenfold etc etc. the point is, the dark minimal vibe of music, and its principles, was not the main focus back then. plus any other hardcore gabba/jungle/sh!t music was not as well. today its different, minimal styled music got the main attention and its influence spread to everything else. people that were playing electro house, and progressive house before that, had switched to "minimal" house. the main focus has kept shifting to more and more stripped down core elements. not trying to sidetrack this discussion or discredit anything i said because of splitting hairs about how exactly popular the name plastikman or robert hood was in the US back in the early 90's. saying it on a general forum gets a different reaction compared to saying it on a minimal electronic music forum.

karmapolice · Post by **karmapolice** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:01 pm

techno/house made already history when it arrived in your part of the world. in alot countrys and i´m talking not about europe people adapted the easy stuff first. thats the problem why trance is so big. cause it was easier to understand than the roots of techno and house for the average people.
certain cultural settings had to be before the music evolved that way from the original sources. you are forgetting that.
that what makes your statements ignorant.
for germany for example american sound was always important. when have been the first techno partys in russia?
there was also russian disco in the 70ies. i know. a copy of american stuff. commercial. but was there a russian ron hardy 1980 anywhere? sorry. thats the problem why they listen to alot sh!t electro in russia.

infernal.techno · Post by **infernal.techno** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:46 pm

stevësto wrote:plus any other hardcore gabba/jungle/sh!t music was not as well..

hardcore electronic/dance music was definitely popular in the united states in the 90s

stevësto · Post by **stevësto** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:24 pm

infernal.techno wrote:
stevësto wrote:plus any other hardcore gabba/jungle/sh!t music was not as well..
hardcore electronic/dance music was definitely popular in the united states in the 90s

in the US gabba was popular? jungle? anything with the word "core" in it? right. if you say so. that stuff was always in the siderooms - secondary to standard club music which was house/trance/breakbeat (not amen breaks - dnb/jungle, but breakbeat). minimal styled music was never forefront back then, it was from 2007-2009 though. maybe it was popular in the collective consciousness from your perspective because your taste has always been that way and thats what you surrounded yourself with back then. my perspective is coming from florida, texas, and san fran which are the places i lived during those times and i did not have a specialist type preference in the music. this could go on back and forth forever because the term popular is subjective.

techno/house made already history when it arrived in your part of the world

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that what makes your statements ignorant.

i think thats ironic coming from someone claiming techno/house "arrived" in my part of the world (USA).

infernal.techno · Post by **infernal.techno** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:46 pm

can i ask you a question...purely based out of curiosity

how long have you lived in tampa/st.petersburg area?

how regularly do you leave that area for music?

united states music, trends and popularity throughout the decades cannot be summed up with just southern florida. very different scenes, sounds and crowd sizes throughout the country.

if you really don't think hardcore dance music was somewhat popular in the US in the 90s, then I don't know what to tell you.

PsyTox · Post by **PsyTox** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:41 am

The USA is so big that it would actually be very strange if the entire country evolved the same way.

I mean, you have these differences in Europe already, the story of Amsterdam, London, Belgium, Köln, Frankfurt... are all extremely different although they are only 3-500km apart. I mean, there are people in America who's closest neighbours live that far apart