Aether = Cadenza's CUBE ?

[Atheory]

First of all, Luciano and Ricardo have been around for YEARS before their explosion of success 4-5 years ago. These guys have record collections of classic house and techno that a lot of us could only dream of...Ricardo more than Luciano anyway. Furthermore, these guys have been doing exactly what they are doing now since long before anyone gave a fck. Can you blame the masses for coming to THEM? If I had been sticking to my roots for 10+ years and all of the sudden I was offered 10,000euros a night to play for the "in crowd" why the hell would I turn it down? My true story about Ricardo Villalobos...a friend told me, "Hey man, I just heard Villalobos play. You have to see him, he is amazing." This was shortly after Easy Lee dropped. I said, "Well, I like my sht with a little more energy, sorry." 6 months later I caught him while on tour in Europe and he blew the fcking lid off. DJ Sneak mixed on top of Beyer. Akufen over May, Technasia and Mike Dunn, Dave Clarke, you name it. I couldn't believe it.

At this point, I realized Villalobos is basically a walking techno dictionary. To pigeonhole him based on one or two sets you have seen in person or downloaded is not a fair assumption.

miniKAT...are you aware that people like Derrick May and Carl Craig really enjoy Luciano et al? They all love each other's sound, so it's not like there is some sort of "Oh, they're just ripping off Derrick May" bullshit. I have seen Derrick May and Luciano countless and the sets couldn't be further apart musically. Great vibes but to compare them isn't fair. Also, saying the latin DJs are just carbon copies of the Detroit DJs is ridiculous. You would have to say that about pretty much everyone under the techno umbrella which would really just cause the statement to lose it's meaning. May as well say Derrick May and crew are hacks because they got their influence from Kraftwerk.

And quite frankly, the only people who bother to bitch about the "in sound" of techno and complain about the trends are people who can't bothered to go out and have fun. So fcking serious with this internet forum banter about how everything sucks. You know why the masses aren't chiming in saying how great these guys are? Because they're too busy having fun! But yes, you internet critics are right once again and the general public are nothing but spoon-fed idiots.

Just one question...exactly how are people spoon-fed these days? Magazines are dead, the mix CD is gone, and there sure isn't much support from the radio. Could it be that their success came from great feedback on their recent bookings? God no, that's just ridiculous!

the voice of reason strikes again.

+1, probably one of the posts of the year.

@minikat, sorry if what i posted earlier came across as harsh. have weird feelings about techno at the moment about where its going and all that. ricardo is one of the few artists whos records make me want to make dance music/even dance.

yeah, sure hes a big act but its not like hes gone real commercial or compromised his tracks or anything to get there, and were supposed to be supportive of that as a community.

i can understand your disenfrancisement (drunk spelling?) about going out, but maybe thats a local thing for you, i dont know a lot about clubs in new york or how much support grass roots stuff is getting there, what type of crowds going to things, etc. but in other cities theres loads of people just going out to smaller things and supporting that, and having good times and dancing and listening to good tracks.

[manzatour]

+2
but to go back to the original post, i'm disappointed by the direction taken by cadenza. the interest of this project is not strictly music, is is more visual and promotional, and i like music!

[Robot Criminal]

Also, look at pop and rock music, how much crap gets to platinum!
Doesnt mean its good music, just means a lotta people have bad taste or worse, no taste at all.

Amen.

[PsyTox]

this is the point of the conversation where I ask if there is a label or artist you guys don't hate on. All this talk of commercialism is highly laughable. Even Richie Hawtin's M-nus camp is still considered very niche amongst the general public. It's really easy to make Cadenza the latest scapegoat by ridiculing the Aether project. Slap the 'commercial' label on it and it's a done deal. This is all banter coming from a forum of people and an industry that survives due largely in part to commercialist websites like MySpace (owned by Fox) and festivals sponsored by various brands including Heineken. If you still want to say Cadenza went commercial, then you need to stop smoking joints and popping pills.

That being said, I actually like the productions of artists like LVD and Luciano quite a bit. BUT, I do feel this is another situation where it's too many cooks in the kitchen (case in point: Innervisions Orchestra Live).

although I do find the comment about cadenza also having it's own "cube" project, I agree with your post.
Pretty curious to see what it is all about on Pukkelpop. And I just hope that they will not forget that it's music what really matters in the end. but if they can build a nice show around it, why not... I mean, Kraftwerk also puts on a nice show with the visuals, or Orbital or whatever big act, so if it's done well and it adds something extra to the performance of a good artists such as Luciano, why not.
And what you said about Ricardo is again spot on. He might be the most popular one around, but he also shows you why in his sets. What he did a week ago at Love Family Park with Luciano was borderline madness and it was the perfect example of what a dj set can be.

But hey, if it becomes too popular we will always tear it down, that's the game

[grace anxiety]

I enjoyed the Villalobos Achso release plus the first Digitaline and Argenis Brito albums. The last couple of years has been abysmal.

yeah ur right tho thought Rhadoo - Dor Mit Oru ep was decent.

[Thomas D and Jack Thomas]

Maybe its the NYC scene that I'm taklin about, but yet its not. U know what its? I hate that when I decide to go out and spend 25-30$ to see one of these big names, I get dissapointed because theres nothing special there to see, I dont see what these kids are yelling and screaming about. And before u start saying im a chinstroker, or a bad partier or whatever, I'll be the first to scream, yell, dance if the sht is ON, e.g. Matthew Herbert party a while ago, mills, derrick carter. I just dont see it, and I'm not alone.

Matthew Herbert is amazing. Wouldn't mind having a recording of said set or one similar. In regards to the "OGs" (original gangstas for you euros), I have to say I have been let down just as much, if not more than the big european DJs. Derrick May, when on point, is fucking awesome. Seen him suck horribly a million times too. His closing set at DEMF was one of the sloppiest and most poorly programmed headlining sets I have ever seen. I really hate to use such a rude description such as "washed up," but sadly it's the only thing that comes to mind when I see a lot of the older DJs these days. I feel like these guys are just going through the motions rather than putting their heart into it. In fairness, it might be hard to keep doing that every weekend after 20+ years.

[Atheory]

^^^

yeah i've been let down loads of times by the detroit djs, especially at the start of this centrury, that i rarely, if ever, go and see them.

i do wanna be careful about getting into this, theres things kind of US vs europe thing that comes up every now and then on the board, and its better to not get into it cause most patriotism is a bit stupid.

but i sometimes think theres a kind of insular situation when americans talk about dance music on the board (and yeah, im sure loads of them know whats happening in places around the world as well, i'm really not trying to tar everyone with the same brush) but i think that attitude creeps into stuff sometimes and that can be a bit weird for us because i dont have a life where (for example) matthew herbert is the only good dj set i've seen in years, cause i could go out and watch really good people play 4 nights a week if i had the energy/money. i don't have the same need to try and tell everyone else what the real sh!t is or who was innovating what or whatever back in the day, cause i can go out and try and see who is inovating what now, today.

and i kind of resent being told what the "real sh!t" is by anyone (us, european or otherwise) who is a product of late capitalism. i think we've all lost the ability to tell.

i hope this doesnt come across the wrong way, i mean no disrespect, just trying to see how people feel about it or if i got it totally wrong.

[miniKAT]

Maybe its the NYC scene that I'm taklin about, but yet its not. U know what its? I hate that when I decide to go out and spend 25-30$ to see one of these big names, I get dissapointed because theres nothing special there to see, I dont see what these kids are yelling and screaming about. And before u start saying im a chinstroker, or a bad partier or whatever, I'll be the first to scream, yell, dance if the sht is ON, e.g. Matthew Herbert party a while ago, mills, derrick carter. I just dont see it, and I'm not alone.

Matthew Herbert is amazing. Wouldn't mind having a recording of said set or one similar. In regards to the "OGs" (original gangstas for you euros), I have to say I have been let down just as much, if not more than the big european DJs. Derrick May, when on point, is fcking awesome. Seen him suck horribly a million times too. His closing set at DEMF was one of the sloppiest and most poorly programmed headlining sets I have ever seen. I really hate to use such a rude description such as "washed up," but sadly it's the only thing that comes to mind when I see a lot of the older DJs these days. I feel like these guys are just going through the motions rather than putting their heart into it. In fairness, it might be hard to keep doing that every weekend after 20+ years.

U know how u wake up in the morning and go, "oh god, I dont wanna go to work today" but u go anyways and u try to do as little as possible and just hide out in the bathroom and wait for this god-for-saken day to just end. Well, Im sure the OGs or even the relatively new DJs(who get a lot of gigs) feel exactly the same way sometime.

Have u heard Matthew Herbert - Mistakes- Live from Tresor (if u into his stuff, Im sure u have) One of the best Mix Cds Ive heard.

For those still defending Ricardo, I already said he can live. I went a bit far on that one. I stand by all the other sh!t though.