::BLM:: wrote:apanell wrote:they sound similar but they're definitely exactly not the same
Yes I agree. Dont know why so many people are getting uptight about this. If you look at the whole genre of DubTechno it all sounds the same anyways. All he has done is place a tone in the same place and now people are saying he has copied it - how pathetic.
I'm afraid - it's because actually they are correct (about the phylyps sampling one) you are quite wrong to say all he's done is place a tone in the same place, how closely have you been listening to the pieces ? It's highly disrespectful of you to come into this discussion without having any knowledge of the subject (other than having listened to a few M series records or whatever, goign by seeing your comments on this on other boards) and then use words like 'pathetic'. To you - all 'dub techno' (?) Sounds the same, to the people that follow it - it doesn't - you are a sensible adult, I presume so I don't need to argue that point with you I hope.
The background percussive loop has been directly lifted from a Basic Channel Track, there's no question about that, if it was a simple 4 bar loop - it would be harder to tell, in fact, you could put that down to co-incidece : but he's lifted far more, there's a couple of chord stabs and FX fills which match the original EXACTLY as well as the drums, hats and masked claps, he'd have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that, sure - it''d still be similar, but there would be no other references to check.
He's covered the on beat clap/stab by putting some sort of synth stab on the beat - mimicing the original but using a different sound, he's also processed it a little to warm it up a bit, yes - it doesn't sound EXACTLY the same, but that doesn't stop it being instantly recogniseable as a sample.
I would be 100% confident with this appraisal, and I've heard a lot of similar sounding stuff in my time, I've listened to and played techno/house/electronic music for over a decade, I'm well aware of the 'self referencing' that goes on, in fact - I've got many records which blatantly sample others and many which use similar sounds, and of course lots of stuff sounds the same, but this is VERY different, he's directly lifted a lot more than a four bar loop here and used it verbatim with no re-edit, only a bit of processing and then masked it in his own sounds.
For Groove La Chord it's very different, he's masked the drums completely (and I suspect If he did steal anything - it wasn't the drums) If he did use a sample, the chords are at least reprogrammed in a number of ways. I suspect at most he may have lifted a chord and resequenced it, if that, he may be telling the truth, but given that the's now gone and ruined all the credibility he had by blatantly ripping Basic Channel, I'd be tempted not to try and defend that any further, preset or not, I don't care, that's on his consience, not mine.
No one's saying incidentally that it's totally bad news to sample things, but there's ways of going about that and ways of presenting the finished output , and this is basically an unlicenced bootled masquarading as a fully fledged official artist release, you might not hear it (and I'm mightily surprised to hear you say that, which is why I'd urge you to have a closer listen to what's happening with the FX and the little chord stabs.) But anyone who's ever listened closely to that record does I'm afraid.
I could argue all day on the merits of what people are calling 'dub techno' (It's actually just a dub informed take on detroit techno and there's a lot more of a range of it kicking about than you might think - including new variations which do make marked progress and change in direction on the sound).
