Contakt (Minus where are you going?)

Torque · Post by **Torque** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:18 am

ekwipt wrote:Wasn't techno originally conceived around futuristic ideals?

Underground resistance etc.

Maybe Minus are just trying to get back to this ideal?

I think they are just trying to do things a little different, so what if there's some marketing in there. Personally I'd be bored shitless listening to another dj mix by professionals when any one can do similar things in their bedrooms.

Clubbing should have got to this standard years ago...

Exactly!!!

clubfoot · Post by **clubfoot** » Fri May 16, 2008 10:16 am

can you imagine the reluctance at the photo shoot? at least Hawtin looks like he believes. seeing as he's reinvented himself as a jedi, surely he should be wearing a brown hooded cloak.

aut.t.n · Post by **aut.t.n** » Fri May 16, 2008 10:47 am

Torque wrote:
ekwipt wrote:Wasn't techno originally conceived around futuristic ideals?

Underground resistance etc.

Maybe Minus are just trying to get back to this ideal?

I think they are just trying to do things a little different, so what if there's some marketing in there. Personally I'd be bored shitless listening to another dj mix by professionals when any one can do similar things in their bedrooms.

Clubbing should have got to this standard years ago...
Exactly!!!

hm... somehow this comparison ur - contakt... it made me instantly feel little bit sick. i think there's some difference... really, i appreciate music with an "idealistic" meta level, esp. futouristic stuff. to put it short: ur/atkins and the likes.... they transport(ed) all this ideas through their sound, directly. the visions have some kind of generalism, on a level of society. contakt..... a cube ... surface is shiny, inside seems to be standard technology. the visions are directly tied to m_nus. it's not about a future of society, it's about where will we be together with m_nus. and it's not about far future anyway, it's about the next year (when all this will take place at contakt-events).
the realization in the first case: the music. in the second case: words, gimmicks, clothes. music - of course. but alone it does not transport the vision to me (which vision?).

re.vise · Post by **re.vise** » Fri May 16, 2008 11:58 am

alexx.wolfe wrote:[MINUS071] Bob Sinclar | We Are Underground, And You?

RELEASE INFORMATION:

Artist/Title: BOB SINCLAR | WE ARE UNDERGROUND, AND YOU?
Catalogue No.: M71
Label: MINUS
Format: CD, LP, MP3, WAV
Release Date: TBA

SAMPLES HERE :

bob sinclair - we r underground demonstration mix .mp3 - 1.42MB

you seem to have an old version of this track.. just got news from berlin that richie has modified the track to his standards

http://www.zshare.net/audio/12107275b73aaec7/

Torque · Post by **Torque** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:15 am

aut.t.n wrote:
hm... somehow this comparison ur - contakt... it made me instantly feel little bit sick. i think there's some difference... really, i appreciate music with an "idealistic" meta level, esp. futouristic stuff. to put it short: ur/atkins and the likes.... they transport(ed) all this ideas through their sound, directly. the visions have some kind of generalism, on a level of society. contakt..... a cube ... surface is shiny, inside seems to be standard technology. the visions are directly tied to m_nus. it's not about a future of society, it's about where will we be together with m_nus. and it's not about far future anyway, it's about the next year (when all this will take place at contakt-events).
the realization in the first case: the music. in the second case: words, gimmicks, clothes. music - of course. but alone it does not transport the vision to me (which vision?).

I can't honestly say i disagree with you completely but honestly Juan and those guys did not have the money to play with that Rich has. Who knows what the hell they would have done. One thing they did have is music that matched the idea completely, it's still yet to be written if the music at these events will match the vision put forth by the advertisement. I really hope it does because i'm getting sick of seeing so may acts out there that might have some music to play here and there but no grand vision behind it.

okzbow · Post by **okzbow** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:18 pm

Torque wrote:
aut.t.n wrote:
hm... somehow this comparison ur - contakt... it made me instantly feel little bit sick. i think there's some difference... really, i appreciate music with an "idealistic" meta level, esp. futouristic stuff. to put it short: ur/atkins and the likes.... they transport(ed) all this ideas through their sound, directly. the visions have some kind of generalism, on a level of society. contakt..... a cube ... surface is shiny, inside seems to be standard technology. the visions are directly tied to m_nus. it's not about a future of society, it's about where will we be together with m_nus. and it's not about far future anyway, it's about the next year (when all this will take place at contakt-events).
the realization in the first case: the music. in the second case: words, gimmicks, clothes. music - f course. but alone it does not transport the vision to me (which vision?).
I can't honestly say i disagree with you completely but honestly Juan and those guys did not have the money to play with that Rich has. Who knows what the hell they would have done. One thing they did have is music that matched the idea completely, it's still yet to be written if the music at these events will match the vision put forth by the advertisement. I really hope it does because i'm getting sick of seeing so may acts out there that might have some music to play here and there but no grand vision behind it.

The UR crew really dislikes (understatement) Richie and his ideas... they see him as a spoiled rich kid, who lifted on their ideas.

UR crew is breathing, living... everything is about techno. Richie seems to be more into money and being a trend-setter than music and entertaining lately.

Storlon · Post by **Storlon** » Sat May 17, 2008 5:27 pm

Torque wrote: Juan and those guys did not have the money to play with that Rich has. Who knows what the hell they would have done.

I'm lost here... In my point of view, this is exatly why techno emerged like it, people with not of lot of money wanting tho share something strong, freedom, i also can see the connection with berlin when the wall was on the way the fall down, very intensive moments, a new language free of all the moneys and politics, a peacefull rebelion.

I know it's a bit utopic , but i way prefer this esthetic depply lied with (weirdly for an electronic music) humanity freedom.

Red Kite · Post by **Red Kite** » Sat May 17, 2008 9:07 pm

Torque wrote:
Juan and those guys did not have the money to play with that Rich has. Who knows what the hell they would have done.

Well, Kevin Saunderson had this million-selling Inner City project with international top-10 hits, just to name one. Between around 1988-92 the early techno artists made a shitload of money - music videos, Top of the Pops, all included - at least as much as the whole M-nus gang makes today. If they didn't make so much out of it then basically because artists at that time weren't as professional and organized as the M-nus guys are today. Maybe they let themselves be ripped off by the record companies; who knows. But there WAS a lot of money.

Btw, all the classic artists weren't that poor to start from anyway. They were all at least middle class kids. If not they would've never been able to afford all the equipment, so in all that true ghetto spirit bullshit there isn't much truth anyway.

Don't want to bash on the old heroes, sicne they're heroes to me as well, and also don't want to defend the commercialisation of the M-nus enterprise, but you have to see things in perspective.