going crazy on the ableton midi clock

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going crazy on the ableton midi clock

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so i've got a problem here that i can't figure out.

my setup is as follows:

ableton sends midi to vermona drm1-mk3 (through emu x-midi tab usb) -->the vermona sends audio to the input on my sound card -->the audio is received in ableton as a audio track and sends that audio to the master out.

the problem is that it's impossible to sync ableton and the vermona, not even with a sample buffer size set to 32. they always lose sync after a few seconds.

the only way to get things working is by using a usb mixer. setup is then as follows:
ableton sends midi to vermin through usb & also sends audio through another usb to the mixer --> mixer receives audio from both ableton and vermona --> perfectly sync.

so the problem has to do with the delay in usb maybe? but i don't want to use a big mixer for only one drum computer if i've got a perfect sound card to do that job.

someone any ideas? any help would be much appreciated!
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do you mean they sound out of time with each other?

there is a setting in ableton you can adjust. i don't use it so can't tell you where it is.
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Re: going crazy on the ableton midi clock

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Can you set the midi delay in Ableton? It's quite easy to do in Logic and I can't imagine that feature isn't available in Ableton.

The way to get it locked in perfect is to make a 0 attack snappy sound on your DRM and record it. Then chop that sound out and load it up in ableton as a one shot. Next, put a midi note on the DRM channel at the same exact location as the loaded up one shot (leaving the sound you made on the DRM intact). Maybe draw out a bar's worth of these. finally, hit record.

There will be a small delay between the two sounds. Measure the distance between the two in milliseconds. Adjust the midi delay in Ableton by this amount and you should be locked in.
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Instead of decreasing your buffersize, try the midi delay function. Probably an option in the preferences of Ableton Live. Otherwise try to fuzz with the pre-delay on the audio channels
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when i had my vermona i used to record each individual sound into pro tools then quantize the audio. i'm sure ablton has similar features.
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thanks for the fast replies! eventually fixed it by using the midi on the m-audio (firewire)... that one does sync constant, so that it can be fixed using track delay...
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