Having difficulties for building drum sequences

- ask away
tintin2085
mnml maxi
mnml maxi
Posts: 516
Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:01 pm

Having difficulties for building drum sequences

Post by tintin2085 » Tue May 04, 2010 10:27 pm

Hi all,

I have started seriously production since a little bit more than 4 months.
I have made nice progresses but I always block when I try to sequence a track. The result of that is a static track without any life.
I have noticed that's come from the drums parts. I have difficulties for construct nice drums sequences. I can make a 4 or 8 bars drum loop but when it come to break or for making variations during the track I loose all inspiration.
I can tweak for hours a synth pad but I feel the need to finish rapidly the drums.
Another problem is I rarely find good drums samples. I'm trying to make beats like Dj Sneak, even that for me is a pain and I don't talk about the samples digging for having so nice and fat snares, perc...

I'm almost sure that some people will suggest me to use sample loops but I really hate using it. I rarely find one that I like entirely. I have always one or 2 hits that I want to change.

So I'm waiting your advices how to progress into the beat construction.

Thanks in advance,

User avatar
patrick bateman
mnml maxi
mnml maxi
Posts: 5432
Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:02 am
Location: Copenhagen Denmark
Contact:

Post by patrick bateman » Tue May 04, 2010 10:33 pm

when I started producing, I was loading up different drum loops, perc loops etc etc, which made me realized what is used to make complete drum pattern interesting.

Could be something you could look into..

wanderer_
Posts: 11
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:17 pm

Post by wanderer_ » Wed May 05, 2010 12:10 am

i think you'll always feel that the beats could be a little tighter/more interesting. the combinations/editing can be endless.

however after 4 months you're going to be frustrated pretty often i'd think. i'm just now coming around to making non-stagnant beats (after 3 years, before that more traditional music etc.). you'll get there eventually and when you do... you won't even be thinking about it that hard ;)

besides just slogging through it, listen to grooves/beats you find interesting and try to deconstruct them and build them back up in your DAW of choice. it's a marathon for sure, not a race. so patience and forward progress is key.

User avatar
Ingemar
mnml maxi
mnml maxi
Posts: 635
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:22 am

Post by Ingemar » Wed May 05, 2010 12:54 am

ah the curse of the loop, I think many people can recognise themselves having been there or being there. Like the others said, practice makes perfect. Personally I think it is easier to start out with synths and melodies and build the beat around that and not vice versa.

Casanova808
mnml mmbr
mnml mmbr
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:57 am

Post by Casanova808 » Wed May 05, 2010 12:58 am

I think the best thing you could do is buy a cheap set of congas and a couple books on hand percussion and spend six months learning how to play them.

User avatar
hydrogen
mnml maxi
mnml maxi
Posts: 2689
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:41 am

Post by hydrogen » Wed May 05, 2010 3:29 pm

Casanova808 wrote:I think the best thing you could do is buy a cheap set of congas and a couple books on hand percussion and spend six months learning how to play them.
+1
------------------------------------------------------
http://soundcloud.com/kirkwoodwest

shypht
mnml mmbr
mnml mmbr
Posts: 395
Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:23 am

Post by shypht » Thu May 06, 2010 9:57 pm

I found the book - Drum programming a complete guide to program and think like a drummer to be useful.

It goes through drum programming, beats, how different parts of percussion play off of each other to create rhythm and interest. It largely has a rock-oriented approach, but that can translate into other genres also.

I got the book when I got my Native Instruments Maschine, and stepping through the book helped get my head around some problems I've had with static-dry sounding loops and patterns.

Myfirstcasio
mnml newbie
mnml newbie
Posts: 95
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:46 pm
Location: London, Uk

Post by Myfirstcasio » Wed May 19, 2010 1:58 pm

Wow, some great suggestions here for the OP.

I know the pain, I still find it hard to make beats I really like, good use of mono delays, swing and velocity can help.

I think Casanova's suggestion of buying some congas is a good one!

Post Reply