Having difficulties for building drum sequences

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Having difficulties for building drum sequences

Post by tintin2085 » Tue May 04, 2010 10:27 pm

Hi all,

I have started seriously production since a little bit more than 4 months.
I have made nice progresses but I always block when I try to sequence a track. The result of that is a static track without any life.
I have noticed that's come from the drums parts. I have difficulties for construct nice drums sequences. I can make a 4 or 8 bars drum loop but when it come to break or for making variations during the track I loose all inspiration.
I can tweak for hours a synth pad but I feel the need to finish rapidly the drums.
Another problem is I rarely find good drums samples. I'm trying to make beats like Dj Sneak, even that for me is a pain and I don't talk about the samples digging for having so nice and fat snares, perc...

I'm almost sure that some people will suggest me to use sample loops but I really hate using it. I rarely find one that I like entirely. I have always one or 2 hits that I want to change.

So I'm waiting your advices how to progress into the beat construction.

Thanks in advance,

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Post by patrick bateman » Tue May 04, 2010 10:33 pm

when I started producing, I was loading up different drum loops, perc loops etc etc, which made me realized what is used to make complete drum pattern interesting.

Could be something you could look into..

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Post by wanderer_ » Wed May 05, 2010 12:10 am

i think you'll always feel that the beats could be a little tighter/more interesting. the combinations/editing can be endless.

however after 4 months you're going to be frustrated pretty often i'd think. i'm just now coming around to making non-stagnant beats (after 3 years, before that more traditional music etc.). you'll get there eventually and when you do... you won't even be thinking about it that hard ;)

besides just slogging through it, listen to grooves/beats you find interesting and try to deconstruct them and build them back up in your DAW of choice. it's a marathon for sure, not a race. so patience and forward progress is key.

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Post by Ingemar » Wed May 05, 2010 12:54 am

ah the curse of the loop, I think many people can recognise themselves having been there or being there. Like the others said, practice makes perfect. Personally I think it is easier to start out with synths and melodies and build the beat around that and not vice versa.

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Post by Casanova808 » Wed May 05, 2010 12:58 am

I think the best thing you could do is buy a cheap set of congas and a couple books on hand percussion and spend six months learning how to play them.

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Post by hydrogen » Wed May 05, 2010 3:29 pm

Casanova808 wrote:I think the best thing you could do is buy a cheap set of congas and a couple books on hand percussion and spend six months learning how to play them.

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Post by shypht » Thu May 06, 2010 9:57 pm

I found the book - Drum programming a complete guide to program and think like a drummer to be useful.

It goes through drum programming, beats, how different parts of percussion play off of each other to create rhythm and interest. It largely has a rock-oriented approach, but that can translate into other genres also.

I got the book when I got my Native Instruments Maschine, and stepping through the book helped get my head around some problems I've had with static-dry sounding loops and patterns.

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Post by Myfirstcasio » Wed May 19, 2010 1:58 pm

Wow, some great suggestions here for the OP.

I know the pain, I still find it hard to make beats I really like, good use of mono delays, swing and velocity can help.

I think Casanova's suggestion of buying some congas is a good one!

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