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Post by oblioblioblio » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:55 pm

yo tony I was just saying that 'i don't like those machines'.

If you really want to, you can mix and match analogue machines... you will need to be careful but it's more than possible.

I actually have 3 different formats of modules in my set up... frac rack, euro rack and wiard 300 series. I'm glad to do it this way and everything talks to each other ok.

My main instinct was just disliking those machines from a design point of view, and wanting to discourage anyone from getting stuck in a halfway house and thinking that 'this is what modular is'... cos frankly, if I got those machines and thought they were all you could do with modular I don't think i'd be 1/3 as excited as I am now.

I'm a bit worried about talking like I know my sh!t and scaring new users away. I don't really understand voltage that well and I get by alright... all i have is my ears, a desire to learn and the small amount of experience i've built up from using modular for a little bit.

ok said my bit now.

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Post by Casanova808 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:07 pm

Semi-Modulars are complete bullshit.

PS If anybody has one of those janky-ass Arp 2600's they want to get rid of, pm me. I will also settle for a Macbeth M5, but you will have to throw cash in if you want me to take it off your hands.

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Post by tone-def » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:20 pm

i just thought it was nice to see something in a different shape. they are a bit plan but if the VCO or VCF sound amazing then why not?

when your mixing different formats do you need to use attenuators?

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Post by oblioblioblio » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:25 pm

tone-def wrote:i just thought it was nice to see something in a different shape. they are a bit plan but if the VCO or VCF sound amazing then why not?

when your mixing different formats do you need to use attenuators?
yeah I agree actually, but for me the module needs to be super amazing for me to want to switch formats to get hold of it.


Yeah I think you do need attenuators, sometimes, to mix formats. Some filters get really out of control, espcially when self resonating, and some modules and components can only take so much. Mainly I don't think it's necessary and you don't need to worry.

I also get a bit anal about how modules fit together... sometimes it's not a big deal, but I like the feeling of having all my modules working as part of a complete system... the philosophy of how they all fit together... maybe i just have too much time on my hands...




Casonava you're dreaming if you think you can get hold of one of them. Sometimes those M5s pop up but it's likely it will involve you driving to get hold of it. Next step is eurorack. (ps. arp filter ... stg post lawsuit)

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Re: modular synthesis

Post by steevio » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:24 pm

i havent posted on here for a long time, life got in the way, but i wanted to share this as it may help anyone trying to sequence a modular from Ableton, and who is having problems with midi, and save them a lot frustration.

I have two live rigs, one all analogue and totally improvisational but too big for most venues and a lot of hardwork to transport / set-up etc. and another compact rig which is half analogue modular and half DAW based.

My problems started when i was trying to clock my analogue sequencers in the modular from Ableton. I assumed a midi to analogue clock converter would do the job, but i hadnt counted on midi being pretty much useless at this task. I'd never had any problem using midi before in the digital domain, but midi clock is basically too inaccurate and sloppy to sync an analogue sequencer. Innerclock Systems make hyper accurate devices but they are also hyper expensive.

I had a custom module made by Graham Hinton called the Gearbox which is now in general production;
http://hinton-instruments.co.uk/paprod/modular/gearbox/

the original intention of this was to sync my external midi effects (hardware reverbs etc ) to my all analogue rig, and it performs the task amazingly well, but it is also capable of working the other way round, the only problem being the midi deficiences mentioned above. The analogue clock wavers about and never feels in perfect sync. This is not the fault of The Gearbox, only the inaccuracy of Midi-Clock.

So Graham suggested i use an audio sync signal, and abandon midi-clock altogether. He had been working closely with Wavtones who produce free downloadable wave files which are highly accurate for sync;
http://www.wavtones.com/functiongenerator.php

So you stick this into an audio track in Ableton and send it through an output on your soundcard to the Gearbox.

The only problem i encountered here was that if there is the slightest glitch or audio dropout, it is interpretted by the Gearbox as an extra or missing pulse and the sync goes out.
So you need a totally clean signal.
Easier said than done with Windows 7 / Ableton 9 running a Native Intruments interface.
even though there was no audible glitches, there must have been microscopic glitches happneing that threw out the clock. I confirmed this by recoding the audio clock back into my soundcard, and sure enough there were random, infrequent, tiny imperceptible dropouts happening.

After weeks of frustration and long tech support threads, i finally achieved a clean signal with an ASIO4all driver.
http://www.asio4all.com/

So now its all running perfectly, and worth all the effort.

I would advise anyone using Windows 7 /8 etc. and a NI interface (or certain other interfaces) to install the ASIO4all drivers if you having glitch/dropout problems with Ableton.

I hope this is some help to anyone wanting to sync up their analogue sequencers in their modular to Ableton without spending megabucks. The Gearbox isnt cheap, but its a custom made product, and as far as i can tell one of the cheapest options out there.

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Re: modular synthesis

Post by John Clees » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:32 am

steevio wrote:i havent posted on here for a long time,
welcome back steevio!!!

You more or less created the nucleolus gathering & the bible of modular threads in the universe! - (50,000) views & counting. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for all your passion sharing your tremendous journey through your modular approach/perspective! Also thank you so so very much for summarizing what you've learned, and pitfalls along the way.

This thread in & of itself, is about what this forum is about. caring, sharing, helping, teaching, reaching, and seeing someone's journey along the way.

Thank you for all that you do steevio!

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Re: modular synthesis

Post by Opuswerk » Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:02 pm

John Clees wrote:
Thank you for all that you do steevio!

this.

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Re: modular synthesis

Post by damnwords » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:25 pm

steevio wrote:i havent posted on here for a long time
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