From Left to Right

[Yatmandu]

I think allot of people get Libertarian confused with Liberal.
Most people that are called Liberals are not Liberal, they're Socialist.
Libertarianism is the exact opposite of Socialism.

^^ very true

Socialist = hi, sure you can stay on our land and eat our food

Libertarian = get off my land or I'll blow your brains out

(forgot the - don't take me too seriously folks, I'm as mod as they get, meaning I definitely get weary around extremists of any kind...In fact I'm an extreme MOD! )

Actually

Socialist = that guy doesnt have food even though he knows where the seeds are and how to grow it. He also has a fishing pole and a rifle. Just never cared enough to try and hunt fish or farm.

So we are going to take the food of those that tried and feed him

Libertarian and TRUE Republican = That guy doesnt have any food. tell him to take his fishing pole to the lake and catch a fcking fish already just like all of us do.

The guy who refuses to get his own food and The guy that works hard to make sure he has his food are both equaly able to produce minimal techno though.

Reminds me of this joke:

This really successful grocery store tycoon goes on vacation to the islands, where he sees a small boy fishing at the end of a dock. He sits next to the boy to do some fishing himself and notices the boy is using a simple line and sinker.

He tells him: "you know, if you get yourself a proper fishing pole like me you can catch more fish!".
"Why?" says the boy.

"Well, with more fish you can feed your family and have some left-over to sell to your neighbours!".
"Why would I want to do that?" says the boy. "Because then you can pay some of your friends to come and fish with you!". At this point the boy is puzzled: "why?"

The tycoon rolls his eyes and says: "well, because then you can catch more fish and sell it in the market! With the profits you can buy a row-boat and row out to where the bigger fish are, and catch those!".

"Why would I want to do that?" asks the boy. The tycoon clears his throat and gets down to business: "Because you can sell the bigger fish in the big market on the island and after a few years you'll be able to buy a proper deep-sea fishing boat! Then you can hire people to go out for you and catch the really big fish!! A few more years after that you'll be able to get a fleet of deep sea fishing boats, and catch all the big fish around the islands. Soon you'll be a big tycoon!!!"

"Why would I want to do all that?" asks the boy.

"Because then you could retire and go fishing on a small island like me!!"

[victorgonzales]

I think allot of people get Libertarian confused with Liberal.
Most people that are called Liberals are not Liberal, they're Socialist.
Libertarianism is the exact opposite of Socialism.

^^ very true

Socialist = hi, sure you can stay on our land and eat our food

Libertarian = get off my land or I'll blow your brains out

(forgot the - don't take me too seriously folks, I'm as mod as they get, meaning I definitely get weary around extremists of any kind...In fact I'm an extreme MOD! )

Actually

Socialist = that guy doesnt have food even though he knows where the seeds are and how to grow it. He also has a fishing pole and a rifle. Just never cared enough to try and hunt fish or farm.

So we are going to take the food of those that tried and feed him

Libertarian and TRUE Republican = That guy doesnt have any food. tell him to take his fishing pole to the lake and catch a fcking fish already just like all of us do.

The guy who refuses to get his own food and The guy that works hard to make sure he has his food are both equaly able to produce minimal techno though.

Reminds me of this joke:

This really successful grocery store tycoon goes on vacation to the islands, where he sees a small boy fishing at the end of a dock. He sits next to the boy to do some fishing himself and notices the boy is using a simple line and sinker.

He tells him: "you know, if you get yourself a proper fishing pole like me you can catch more fish!".
"Why?" says the boy.

"Well, with more fish you can feed your family and have some left-over to sell to your neighbours!".
"Why would I want to do that?" says the boy. "Because then you can pay some of your friends to come and fish with you!". At this point the boy is puzzled: "why?"

The tycoon rolls his eyes and says: "well, because then you can catch more fish and sell it in the market! With the profits you can buy a row-boat and row out to where the bigger fish are, and catch those!".

"Why would I want to do that?" asks the boy. The tycoon clears his throat and gets down to business: "Because you can sell the bigger fish in the big market on the island and after a few years you'll be able to buy a proper deep-sea fishing boat! Then you can hire people to go out for you and catch the really big fish!! A few more years after that you'll be able to get a fleet of deep sea fishing boats, and catch all the big fish around the islands. Soon you'll be a big tycoon!!!"

"Why would I want to do all that?" asks the boy.

"Because then you could retire and go fishing on a small island like me!!"

HEHE thats a good story. Greatly describes the greed of humanity.

That kid with a fishing pole is still catching his own diner though. He doesnt need government help becase at the end of the day he did what he had to do to get his fish. If he was liberal he would just demand that the crazy tycoon give him free fish because he catches so many.

[steevio]

Actually

Socialist = that guy doesnt have food even though he knows where the seeds are and how to grow it. He also has a fishing pole and a rifle. Just never cared enough to try and hunt fish or farm.

jeez, its like mccarthyism never went away, i didnt think people were still being brainwashed in the good ole US of A

all this political bs is making me sick to my stomach.
all politics has done is fck up the world,

its time to unfuck the world,

anyone know any good plugins for unfucking the world ?


edit - sorry but you hit a raw nerve bro. it's an insult to my hard working, coalmining from the age of 14 to 65 socialist grandfathers, who not only had to fish to supplement their paltry wages, but grew all their own food in their allotments.

[jaco]

Actually

Socialist = that guy doesnt have food even though he knows where the seeds are and how to grow it. He also has a fishing pole and a rifle. Just never cared enough to try and hunt fish or farm.

jeez, its like mccarthyism never went away, i didnt think people were still being brainwashed in the good ole US of A

all this political bs is making me sick to my stomach.
all politics has done is fck up the world,

its time to unfuck the world,

anyone know any good plugins for unfucking the world ?

ahha

i agree...

[victorgonzales]

sorry but you hit a raw nerve bro. it's an insult to my hard working, coalmining from the age of 14 to 65 socialist grandfathers, who not only had to fish to supplement their paltry wages, but grew all their own food in their allotments.

No appologies necessary. Im not talking down or insulting your hard working grandfathers. If anyhing Im argueing the case that they should get to keep the benefits of their hard work and should not be forced to give to any person who is equaly capable of working. Dont get me wrong there are cases for government help I will gladly pay taxes for such as the disabled and the elderly (they fit under disabled to me). People that are no longer physically capable of providing for themselves should be provided for.

But as long as all men are equal then no man should be taxed heavier to pay for another. Its just wrong in every way. In my book your ancestors where VICTIMS of socialism. Even if your grandfathers thought it was right to share what they have that should be their choice. Charity is great and good people will give it but socialism is simply theft. Charity rewards a noble cause wheras socialism tends to reward laziness and pays for it with the blood and sweat of hard workers like your ancestors.

Hopefully that makes my opinion a bit more clear.

[lcvl]

Past socialist and communist regimes used to have really high standards regarding professional preparation in basically any discipline (science, art, sport, etc.).

The work ethic there was generally a really strong value and the discipline you needed to be able to deal with the extreme competition in any field probably left very little space for lazyness.

[Atheory]

Past socialist and communist regimes used to have really high standards regarding professional preparation in basically any discipline (science, art, sport, etc.).

The work ethic there was generally a really strong value and the discipline you needed to be able to deal with the extreme competition in any field probably left very little space for lazyness.

yeah, but why would you let the truth cloud the argument when reactionary ignorance would do?

should never have started this topic, some of the replies are so depressing.

[steevio]

In my book your ancestors where VICTIMS of socialism. Even if your grandfathers thought it was right to share what they have that should be their choice. Charity is great and good people will give it but socialism is simply theft. Charity rewards a noble cause wheras socialism tends to reward laziness and pays for it with the blood and sweat of hard workers like your ancestors.

Hopefully that makes my opinion a bit more clear.

obviously a production forum is the wrong place for people to air their political differences, but i'm not sure how else i'm supposed to respond.

the only thing my grandfathers where victims of, was to be working for a 'conservative' mine owner who paid them a pitance of a wage for their hardwork. can you imagine a 14 year old boy crawling sideways through a 14inch seem of coal 5 miles out under the sea with a pickaxe everyday. miners were virtually slaves in the first half of the 20 century, slaves to your beloved political system.
it was through pro-active socialists like my grandfathers that we now have a national health service in the UK where everyone has free access to health care, unlike the primordial system you have in the US of money talks when it comes to illness.
wherever there is free enterpise, there is greed, and wherever there is greed there are people being exploited. it used to be coalminers etc., now its the third world. the only reason someone like you or me can live in the relative luxury of a western lifestyle, is because there are thousands of people living a miserable existance somewhere else.
much of this imbalance is due to our imperialist ancestors, and their systems which still linger and are exacerbated by globalisation.

its time to take step back and look at the true consequences of our inflated lifestyles, growth cannot go on forever, the planet isnt big enough.
the political and economic systems of now and the recent past dont work. get used to it !
its never be more beautifully illustrated than with the current global crash.
did the US learn nothing from the dust bowl ?

i was raised as a socialist, i'm apolitical now, because while i can see the benfits of social justice, and safety nets, i also believe in freedom.
i believe its time for big changes in the way our countries are governed.
there need to be more global accountability, and more localised decision making. the state is out of date !

the point i was making is that previous administrations in the US have demonised socialism, and distorted the truth to the point that you guys dont seem to know what it really is.
in the UK we dont have this deep fear of socialism, because its benefits are there for all to see, and why does it have to be extreme ? can we not take the best bits from each system to create a fair society.
the further you go away from the centre in any political system whether it be left or right, the closer you get to dictatorship, they are both as bad as each other.

Barack Obama is the best thing that has ever happened to the US, only time will tell if he can truly make a difference, but one things for sure, nothing could be worse than the illiterate half-wit republican who ran your country for the last 8 years.

ps i hope its obvious when i talk of the US , i mean the government of the US. i feel just the same about the UK government. theyre all incompetent.
its time they all shaped up, and put the entire planet first.

and thats all i'm ever going to say about politics on a production forum ever again.