music 2.0

oblioblioblio · Post by **oblioblioblio** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:34 pm

jackbrazzo wrote:This is less about Music and more about human nature -virtually impossible to change, thats why socialism and communism never worked (unfortunately) - people are inherently selfish and greedy.

People want money, people with money prosper - Look though history and you will see this. I am not for one minute saying that this is a good thing, but look through the annals of history- Everyone looking out for themselves.

Interesting read mind.

dunno man. lots of people believe in culture and community.

in the west, lots of people are geared towards selfish life, because that conditioning is so ingrained in our society. There are so many triggers installed in people to belive that happiness comes through ownership. There are very few reminders that say LOOK, IT'S PEOPLE AND LOVE THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

I've seen family members who i've known since childhood... with only love in their hearts, be drawn into ownership as a way of life.

If you were to look around the world, before Europeans came, Australia, North and South America. These communities lived very peacefully, I believe. I think it was rare for people to be selfish in an unbalanced way, tat is so common in the West.

jackbrazzo · Post by **jackbrazzo** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:22 pm

dunno man. lots of people believe in culture and community.

I am hearing you mate I lot of people believe but does it in practise work? I say no.

You can really expand this level of thought. I dont give a sh!t about music when confronted with issues such as world hunger etc. People say of me that I am positive person, but I seriously doubt issues such as these will ever be solved. Perhaps I am going off topic here, but its how I feel currently. Jay Haze is right in the fact that the rich get richer the poor get poorer (happening in the UK now as we speak) but this is less of a music question and more of a question of politics and morality in my opinion.

On a lighter note I thought Ass to Mouth was a fucking brilliant tune!

ChrisCV · Post by **ChrisCV** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:59 pm

oblioblioblio wrote:If you were to look around the world, before Europeans came, Australia, North and South America. These communities lived very peacefully, I believe. I think it was rare for people to be selfish in an unbalanced way, tat is so common in the West.

This is a completely bollocks statement.

pafufta816 · Post by **pafufta816** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:04 am

oblioblioblio · Post by **oblioblioblio** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:08 am

ChrisCV wrote:
oblioblioblio wrote:If you were to look around the world, before Europeans came, Australia, North and South America. These communities lived very peacefully, I believe. I think it was rare for people to be selfish in an unbalanced way, tat is so common in the West.
This is a completely bollocks statement.

thanks for helping to resolve the matter so charmingly.

Do you have any evidence to verify this? As far as I can tell these communties were very successful and mature.

Certainly from what I know of Aborigine culture, they had the land fairly divided amongst the different tribes. They had what they needed.

From what I know of North and South American civilisations, there were some pretty fair cultures as well. Some completely tribal and some highly advanced.

Of course I'm not saying they were completely without bloodshed, or conflict. But I definitely believe they had some different motivations, and definitely some things we could learn from.

oblioblioblio · Post by **oblioblioblio** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:14 am

jackbrazzo wrote:I am hearing you mate I lot of people believe but does it in practise work? I say no.

You can really expand this level of thought. I dont give a sh!t about music when confronted with issues such as world hunger etc. People say of me that I am positive person, but I seriously doubt issues such as these will ever be solved. Perhaps I am going off topic here, but its how I feel currently. Jay Haze is right in the fact that the rich get richer the poor get poorer (happening in the UK now as we speak) but this is less of a music question and more of a question of politics and morality in my opinion.

On a lighter note I thought azz to Mouth was a fcking brilliant tune!

Yep, in practice everything goes to sh!t. Communism was based on theories like Jay Haze's, of corn for all the people, but yeah in real life it didn't really happen. Same goes with democracy... in theory it's all happy and power to the people... they get to choose their own government. But then of course in real life, when you have a media who will say what whoever pays them the most wants them to say, and people who will vote based on the short term and not see the bigger picture.

Yeah I agree that life is always gonna involve suffering. But I don't think that's a good reason to believe that suffering and unfairness should be acceptable as a way of life.

I think this issue is related to music. Music is a cultural thing that can change the way people think.

PsyTox · Post by **PsyTox** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:30 am

oblioblioblio wrote: If you were to look around the world, before Europeans came, Australia, North and South America. These communities lived very peacefully, I believe. I think it was rare for people to be selfish in an unbalanced way, tat is so common in the West.

yes, those Mayans, Aztecs and Incas were so peaceful, bashing heads in the most loving way they could, and living in peace with the people they sacrificed in huge numbers to their gods. Ahum.

patrick bateman · Post by **patrick bateman** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:37 am

PsyTox wrote:
oblioblioblio wrote: If you were to look around the world, before Europeans came, Australia, North and South America. These communities lived very peacefully, I believe. I think it was rare for people to be selfish in an unbalanced way, tat is so common in the West.
yes, those Mayans, Aztecs and Incas were so peaceful, bashing heads in the most loving way they could, and living in peace with the people they sacrificed in huge numbers to their gods. Ahum.

I was thinking the same and rolling my eyes too