The Minimal artistic ideal

sauce · Post by **sauce** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:30 am

Sometimes I hold the door open for old women, at the bank or what not. Then, as they walk by I put my leg out and trip them.

I don't really do this, I just felt the need to contribute to the nonsense.

Torque · Post by **Torque** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:00 pm

I think the whole term "minimal" has been turned into a farce. It's not descriptive of the music. It's all just techno music and techno is all just house music and house music is all just dance music. The term "Minimal" isn't even a noun, so if something is "minimal" it's minimal ---------What? The marketing term of "minimal" should be fine for the masses that come to the parties, get drunk, go home and fck but i find the prospect of a bunch of upstart dance music producers falling for the slogan a bit disturbing. If you just forget about trying to sound anything like anybody else your natural sound will come through. The producers like Robert Hood, Jeff Mills, Richie Hawtin and a few other planted the seed that will be felt in the music for years to come but those cats didn't get where they are by trying to sound like other people. If you stick yourself inside the minimal box you will be no better than a parrot repeating the phrases that they laid down years ago and will not innovate, will not leave an imprint and may be heard but will not be listened to. Where's your sense of adventure?

thelibrarian · Post by **thelibrarian** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:53 pm

Take a lesson from Rock Music. There is Hard Rock and Soft Rock. People never say they like Rock. They say Punk or Metal. Hard Rock or Soft Rock. Prog Rock or Classic Rock. Techno is doing the same thing. Minimal is just an odd term for a fairly odd genre.

The reality of it is, "minimal" techno is just techno. Usually slower and more subdued. I enjoy techno. I don't enjoy hard techno.

Techno,
The Librarian

BOKAL RECORDS · Post by **BOKAL RECORDS** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:12 pm

Torque wrote:I think the whole term "minimal" has been turned into a farce. It's not descriptive of the music. It's all just techno music and techno is all just house music and house music is all just dance music. The term "Minimal" isn't even a noun, so if something is "minimal" it's minimal ---------What? The marketing term of "minimal" should be fine for the masses that come to the parties, get drunk, go home and fck but i find the prospect of a bunch of upstart dance music producers falling for the slogan a bit disturbing. If you just forget about trying to sound anything like anybody else your natural sound will come through. The producers like Robert Hood, Jeff Mills, Richie Hawtin and a few other planted the seed that will be felt in the music for years to come but those cats didn't get where they are by trying to sound like other people. If you stick yourself inside the minimal box you will be no better than a parrot repeating the phrases that they laid down years ago and will not innovate, will not leave an imprint and may be heard but will not be listened to. Where's your sense of adventure?

so true!!

codecks · Post by **codecks** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:26 pm

Torque wrote:I think the whole term "minimal" has been turned into a farce. It's not descriptive of the music. It's all just techno music and techno is all just house music and house music is all just dance music. The term "Minimal" isn't even a noun, so if something is "minimal" it's minimal ---------What? The marketing term of "minimal" should be fine for the masses that come to the parties, get drunk, go home and fck but i find the prospect of a bunch of upstart dance music producers falling for the slogan a bit disturbing. If you just forget about trying to sound anything like anybody else your natural sound will come through. The producers like Robert Hood, Jeff Mills, Richie Hawtin and a few other planted the seed that will be felt in the music for years to come but those cats didn't get where they are by trying to sound like other people. If you stick yourself inside the minimal box you will be no better than a parrot repeating the phrases that they laid down years ago and will not innovate, will not leave an imprint and may be heard but will not be listened to. Where's your sense of adventure?

+1

filthypitcher · Post by **filthypitcher** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:31 pm

The 'minimal' art, is the discrete representation of the analogue world we live in.

Art mimics the age of technology that we live in. In the 1400's people painted portriats of others because there were no cameras.

Now we are in a digital age, an age of discrete data transfer to create a bigger picture.
Art now mimics this.

thom · Post by **thom** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:41 pm

Interesting view.

I'll think about that today.... and maybe a bit more after dinner.

tzusing · Post by **tzusing** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:12 pm

Torque wrote:I think the whole term "minimal" has been turned into a farce. It's not descriptive of the music. It's all just techno music and techno is all just house music and house music is all just dance music. The term "Minimal" isn't even a noun, so if something is "minimal" it's minimal ---------What?

a part of me totally agrees with you. but the irony of this whole situation is that you are on MNML.NL. So that minimal in the url of this forum must still mean something to you.