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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:41 am 
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Nev - Deep Beep, id'd here:

http://www.mnml.nl/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=138&t=90873

there were 3 copies available at the time the track was id'd ... i bought one, new & sealed, for 2,99 €, the other ones were offered for nearly the same price & condition ... they sold out in 2 days ...

there are already 3 request since then, that were not there before ... the only comment was the one from moogacid.

http://www.discogs.com/Nev-Deep-Beep/release/125063

now there is one (loki33) selling the ep for about 90,- €, and i guess he bought the record before for about 3,- € ...

it is really annoying that tracks played by ricardo, onur, binh, arpiar guys wich were id'd here, always pushes the prices on discogs. i think the mnml forum members are not on the same line with the sharks on discogs, and maybe we should think about some possibilities to change that ... but at the moment i have no clue ... :?:

edit: maybe we can put all solved id's in the private section ... so we sort the ppl out that surfing here only to look after id's and then buying or selling their copies to make a big deal ...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:39 pm 
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Who cares!
And your edit seems like a stupid idea, what's the point of having a public id section then if all the solved IDs are moved to the private section?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:34 pm 
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ok, you dont care, maybe somth else do, ... i do ...

and it is not so stupid, ... someone wants to know a track, post it public. then someone id it. the one nows the track. mission complete. why let it longer on public for the people who want to made money out of it ??

and the people who are active id'ing tracks are so or so in the private id section ... so why let it there for public? on the one hand people here are super mysterious and closed at id'ing tracks, but on the other hand it stays public for the last shark to make money on discogs, from time & passion people spend over years in collecting & diggin' ...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:51 pm 
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IDs don't raise prices on Discogs. Plenty of tracks played by Lutz, Binh, Zip or Ricardo get IDd and don't rise in value. I have a great Detroit electro track that was ID'd as having been played by Binh a couple years ago- there 11 copies in the Discogs marketplace now and the highest is $16. A seller offers a record for a certain price, and if a buyer agrees to that price, the record is sold. If no one agrees to pay $300 for a Booty Fool white label, it remains unsold. All we can do is say no to buying overpriced records, and sell our own records for a fair price, or make a trade with no currency involved. Or maybe we should create fake accounts to buy overpriced records and not pay, just to harass those sellers. -twisted
This forum is not the only place tracks are ID'd. It happens on YouTube, Facebook, Mixesdb, in private messages, through Shazam and Soundhound. Discogs users who leave comments like "Really need this- anyone have a copy for sale?" also attract attention. People won't stop sharing information.
We all hate seeing great music at ridiculous prices. My personal approach is that I don't buy records for a price that's obviously inflated. I bought one 2LP this year which was already rare for a while now. I paid $60 felt that was a fair price. Other than that, I have a huge wantlist of great records that are $5-10 so I'd rather spend my money on those. Plus I enjoy actually going to a real-life record store for some digging :)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:21 pm 
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Also, as tomorrow is Thanksgiving here in the states, I'd like to say I'm thankful for Discogs. :-flower Before we had that site, you'd sometimes search forever to find the name of a track played by your favorite DJ and then look every week through used bins in a record store in hopes of finding a copy. Or maybe a copy would pop up on eBay. There are plenty of old comments on Discogs about records that are for sale in the marketplace next to nothing, that people were paying $40 for years ago just because Mark Farina played it or whatever. You got the ID here and got the Nev record you wanted for cheap- that's great! It's annoying that people ask huge amounts for a record just because it's the only copy for sale, but that's their prerogative. If I find it someday for a low price, I'll grab it for myself. Prices go up and down; just buy what's cheap now and hold out for expensive stuff to fall in price or be re-issued.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:52 am 
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jheyser wrote:
IDs don't raise prices on Discogs.

This is just not true. Could give you a long list of examples. Didn't even matter if the record was garbage sometimes. Though there are of course exceptions like the Detroit electro track you mention.

jheyser wrote:
This forum is not the only place tracks are ID'd. It happens on YouTube, Facebook, Mixesdb, in private messages, through Shazam and Soundhound. Discogs users who leave comments like "Really need this- anyone have a copy for sale?" also attract attention. - My personal approach is that I don't buy records for a price that's obviously inflated.

Agreed.

Philsen you need to chill mate, this is just the way it goes :)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:56 am 
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Philsen wrote:
Nev - Deep Beep, id'd here.
there were 3 copies available at the time the track was id'd ... i bought one, new & sealed.

I got the other sealed one. (Going to keep it ofcourse, never sold a record in my life)

Philsen wrote:
now there is one (loki33) selling the ep for about 90,- €, and i guess he bought the record before for about 3,- € ...

I do am curious who that (scumbag) loki33 is.. and if he's a member here. If you and i bought the other 2 i'm guessing he bought the third one and immediately listed it himself for 90€. (I could be wrong though)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:24 pm 
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mrMartin wrote:
Philsen you need to chill mate, this is just the way it goes :)


yeah, thats true ... but if you see this things happen on & on, i just wanted to wrote it down, and maybe, change somth here that it is even harder for the money sharks to get those id's, even if it is just 1 or 2 weeks for people to buy it at normal prices ... and i have seen it so often when i'm diggin on discogs, ...

jheyser wrote:
IDs don't raise prices on Discogs.


like martin said,it not true, this happend before, id'd here, price raise ... and even if it is not id'd here, the main case is true and not deniable...

mrMartin wrote:
I do am curious who that (scumbag) loki33 is.. and if he's a member here. If you and i bought the other 2 i'm guessing he bought the third one and immediately listed it himself for 90€. (I could be wrong though)


that's what i was thinking, but now another one is listed for 75,- € ... new seller ... :roll:

Philsen wrote:
We all hate seeing great music at ridiculous prices. My personal approach is that I don't buy records for a price that's obviously inflated.


for sure!

jheyser wrote:
People won't stop sharing information.


i'm totally for sharing music, but in a way that not feed the sharks ... or a way to make it difficult for them ...


so or so, i will spend my 1-2 hours a day searching for new records ... :)

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