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http://thequietus.com/articles/09359-ni ... mabar-gema

nick höppner interview on the issue
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GEMA reportedly crack down on DJs as well as clubs, adding new “laptop surcharge” to sets

It now appears that GEMA are attempting to knuckle down even harder on club performances. So far this has only – to our knowledge – been reported on German language websites, but at the heart of these newly proposed set of changes is a tax (or “laptop surcharge”) on DJs playing music from laptops, to the tune of 30% for every music file under five minutes with an increase of 20% for each additional minute. What we’re unsure about is whether this only refers to files that are played, or all music on the offending laptop – we’d presume the former, but the post on Tanith implies the latter (“e.g. 10,000 mp3s on the DJ laptop would [require] 1,300 Euros”).

L O L .
Gotta love GEMA.
Why not just outright ban laptop djs?
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breton wrote:GEMA reportedly crack down on DJs as well as clubs, adding new “laptop surcharge” to sets

It now appears that GEMA are attempting to knuckle down even harder on club performances. So far this has only – to our knowledge – been reported on German language websites, but at the heart of these newly proposed set of changes is a tax (or “laptop surcharge”) on DJs playing music from laptops, to the tune of 30% for every music file under five minutes with an increase of 20% for each additional minute. What we’re unsure about is whether this only refers to files that are played, or all music on the offending laptop – we’d presume the former, but the post on Tanith implies the latter (“e.g. 10,000 mp3s on the DJ laptop would [require] 1,300 Euros”).

L O L .
Gotta love GEMA.
Why not just outright ban laptop djs?
:lol:
They have a similar system here in Finland, and have actually raided some clubs. One more reason to support vinyl I guess.
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A very well researched text on this subject by Fresh Meat of Berlin Mitte Institut:

http://www.berlin-mitte-institut.de/das ... se-techno/

Unfortunately in german only.
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Barfunkel wrote:
breton wrote:GEMA reportedly crack down on DJs as well as clubs, adding new “laptop surcharge” to sets

It now appears that GEMA are attempting to knuckle down even harder on club performances. So far this has only – to our knowledge – been reported on German language websites, but at the heart of these newly proposed set of changes is a tax (or “laptop surcharge”) on DJs playing music from laptops, to the tune of 30% for every music file under five minutes with an increase of 20% for each additional minute. What we’re unsure about is whether this only refers to files that are played, or all music on the offending laptop – we’d presume the former, but the post on Tanith implies the latter (“e.g. 10,000 mp3s on the DJ laptop would [require] 1,300 Euros”).

L O L .
Gotta love GEMA.
Why not just outright ban laptop djs?
:lol:
They have a similar system here in Finland, and have actually raided some clubs. One more reason to support vinyl I guess.
How does it work in reality?
How do you pay, why should you pay, who controls you etc etc?
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patrick bateman wrote:
Barfunkel wrote:
breton wrote:GEMA reportedly crack down on DJs as well as clubs, adding new “laptop surcharge” to sets

It now appears that GEMA are attempting to knuckle down even harder on club performances. So far this has only – to our knowledge – been reported on German language websites, but at the heart of these newly proposed set of changes is a tax (or “laptop surcharge”) on DJs playing music from laptops, to the tune of 30% for every music file under five minutes with an increase of 20% for each additional minute. What we’re unsure about is whether this only refers to files that are played, or all music on the offending laptop – we’d presume the former, but the post on Tanith implies the latter (“e.g. 10,000 mp3s on the DJ laptop would [require] 1,300 Euros”).

L O L .
Gotta love GEMA.
Why not just outright ban laptop djs?
:lol:
They have a similar system here in Finland, and have actually raided some clubs. One more reason to support vinyl I guess.
How does it work in reality?
How do you pay, why should you pay, who controls you etc etc?
And does this system also works for DJ's playing burned CD's?
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patrick bateman wrote:
Barfunkel wrote:
breton wrote:GEMA reportedly crack down on DJs as well as clubs, adding new “laptop surcharge” to sets

It now appears that GEMA are attempting to knuckle down even harder on club performances. So far this has only – to our knowledge – been reported on German language websites, but at the heart of these newly proposed set of changes is a tax (or “laptop surcharge”) on DJs playing music from laptops, to the tune of 30% for every music file under five minutes with an increase of 20% for each additional minute. What we’re unsure about is whether this only refers to files that are played, or all music on the offending laptop – we’d presume the former, but the post on Tanith implies the latter (“e.g. 10,000 mp3s on the DJ laptop would [require] 1,300 Euros”).

L O L .
Gotta love GEMA.
Why not just outright ban laptop djs?
:lol:
They have a similar system here in Finland, and have actually raided some clubs. One more reason to support vinyl I guess.
How does it work in reality?
How do you pay, why should you pay, who controls you etc etc?
It works in theory like this: You pay for the total amount of digital files you use in DJ'ing. Not for what you actually play,
but what you have in your HD/memory sticks/etc. There are different brackets, which I've listed here:


1-900 tracks, 208€ per year
901-3000 tracks, 347€ per year
3001-7000 tracks, 497€ per year

(don't ask me what happens if you have more than 7000 tracks, I got no idea)

Most digital DJ's don't pay, I bet most DJ's don't even know they should pay.

It's controlled by the local GEMA-equivalent, they've done a few raids to night clubs.

The system is obviously VERY unfair towards DJ's who only do a few gigs a year.

The local GEMA equivalent is in the process of changing the system though, but I don't know the details yet.
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patrick bateman wrote: And does this system also works for DJ's playing burned CD's?
Yes. You can play vinyl, original CD's and the like for free, if you copy stuff (and they consider buying an MP3 copying), you pay.
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