432 Hz

[steevio]

guys did you know that we should all be tuning our synths etc. to A = 432 Hz and not 440Hz.
did you know that 440 Hz tuning was imposed by the Nazis in 1939, and previous to that concert tuning was in 432.
( i read somewhere that it was part of Nazi mass mind manipulation techniques, but i dont know how true that is )

432 Hz was discovered by the Greeks as being totally in tune with nature, (and i think is related to the speed of light, but dont quote me on that either)

stradovarius violins are tuned to 432, and many famous symphonies were composed in 432.

apparently when you tune music down so that A =432, the sound becomes much clearer to the human ear, and resonates with us.

[Opuswerk]

very interesting post.
How would you tune a vst to 432 Hz? simply by detuning it slightly?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440
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[Atheory]

i read about this before, not sure about the nazis involvement, its more to do with standardised scales and the fractions they go up by (maybe they got to me too?)

also i think they did try the 432 Hz for a while, but it sounded kinda out of tune.

will find the link,thats all a bit vauge

[Ingemar]

Opuswerk, most commersial level synths have advanced settings and there you can change the tuning amongst other things. If I'm not misstaken 440hz is considered A4 (where C3 is the keyhole C) but I'm really not good at this, but it's an easy parameter to change anyway. Some synths, like Octopus for instance, comes with different national tunings so you can get typically arabic or indian sounding scales with it (pentatonic and whatnot).

Now I'm gonna dig in on that wikipedia article, and regardless of nazi involvment in this matter it could be a cool trademark to have your main synths tuned a few herz away from the standard. I'm definitely going to experiment with it for a bit

[Ingemar]

the article was definitely worth reading, the part about pitch inflation was hilarious. I'm going to experiment with automating the pitch for the main synth for a bit in my latest track, see if I can make it more "bright and clear" for the climactic parts . Also reading up on the tritone paradox was quite inspiring.

[anizz]

This is really interesting!

Thanks Steevio
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[oblioblioblio]

Always love these topics.

I recall Torque saying that it was the church who altered tuning as they found 432 had too much resonance in the human body, and they wanted to be in control of people. (in some ways I find it more digusting if it was the church who introdued this change rather than the Nazis... looking back the Nazis have been appropriately appraised by our societies, but the chruch are viewed positively for the most part)

here's the thread....

http://www.mnml.nl/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=233605&highlight=#233605

For me, I have a great piece of software (www.nonoctave.com) that allows me to easily get dirty with tunings.

I always set my root note to something cosmic like the frequency of the sun (126.22hz) or the earth year (136.1 hz). (I like using these as root tempos too).

I'm not in a position to definitively say the physical effects of using these frequencies, but there is something satisfying to me conceptually about using naturally occurring frequencies (especially cosmic and solar ones).

Anceient Indian music did this too, their root note 'Sa' (father to the others) was at 136.1 hz. fck knows how they worked this out but obviously they were paying attention somewhere!

[steevio]

i've been experimenting with this for a while.
i noticed that when i tune my moog voyager to 440, the marks on the facia panel dont correspond to 0, so i analysed a sinewave at A4 with the pot set at 0 and the frequency is 432 / 433.
so i tuned all my other synths down to the Moog.
i wonder if bob moog was onto this, or whether its pure chance and down to manufacture error, ie. the pot wasnt lined up to the facia properly.

anyway there is a significant difference to the the tone when you tune down.
it sounds better to me, regardless of the theory behind it.

btw. it corellates to approximately 30 cents down for software guys.

here's where i heard about the nazi connection;
http://www.432hz.org/

[Broken]

I love this thread already and i am beggining to mess around with A432
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[Lord_Iron]

The problem I think it is that if you try to mix a track tuned in 440 with another tuned in 432 is not going to sound very good, or at least is going to be much difficult to mix one with the other, specially the basses and the chords. To me is like if I tune my guitar in 432 and I try to jam with other musicians that play in 440...it would be a mess. But of course if you are not making tracks for DJ´s to play in clubs or wherever then is ok

[nospin]

[steevio]

[steevio]

sorry nospin, posted at the same time.