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jaco
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| Shadi Megallaa wrote: | Well... i think i just have way too much to say about the matter, so i just won't get into it.. but what i do have to comment about is when people refer to minimal techno as "minimal" .... which always makes me think.. minimal what..? minimal number of apples, minimal what? ...
or when people say, I'm into minimal.... i'm always just waiting there to hear the rest of the sentence..... uum yeaaaaaaaaah.. minimal number of towels at the beach?
anywho.. its all gotten out of hand if you ask me..  |
to me a problem is always been answering the question: "what kind of music do you paly/produce?"
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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alot people here act like its the first time this happened ..
same thing happened 10 times+ before with different "techno-genres", if u sick of techno then listen/produce other stuff -> come back with that ideas u got from there =) -> unpredictable and interesting tracks.
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alexx.wolfe
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| tone-def wrote: | | I think most people around here think the majority of minimal techno is sht. |
It is sht. |
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| Torque wrote: | | I don't know about you guys but when i step into a club i don't really enjoy hearing a really depressed sound. Maybe i'm a anti-emo party pooper but i'm just not really that depressed about anything to the point where i need to bury myself in that sound to wallow in it further. |
Whats wrong with all you dark depressed minimal freaks! get over it!
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Red Kite
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| Torque wrote: | | There are still some bright spots but for the most part i find allot of these artists that allot of you rave about on this board to be fairly depressed sounding. I don't know about you guys but when i step into a club i don't really enjoy hearing a really depressed sound. Maybe i'm a anti-emo party pooper but i'm just not really that depressed about anything to the point where i need to bury myself in that sound to wallow in it further. I'm a producer and i thought at one point after hearing allot of this stuff "hell i could make this sht in like 5 minutes and get paid" but now i know i honestly can't. That kind of mood just doesn't come out of me naturally. Anytime i try to do it all i do is make stuff that sounds like dub techno to me. That doesn't mean that allot of this stuff still doesn't have it's place in the techno landscape. sometimes you need to drop in a record or two of depressing sounding stuff in your set to make the more up-beat stuff have even more punch. |
What exactly are you referring to as "depressing" sound? Could it be you're confusing §deep" with "depressing"? I never in my whole life heard a depressing techno or house record, I just have no idea what you are talking about.
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HOUSE,TECHNO,MINIMAL
I'll play whatever is good and grooves.
Some people were in it just for the hype.
HOUSE,TECHNO and MINIMAL doesn't need you.
If you cant handle the 4/4 take your azz out the fukin door.  |
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| 4am wrote: | as the others said before: even if apples are good, you can't eat just apples every day of your life. (the risk is an apple overdose :wink:)
just try to eat something else for a while and see what happens... |
or just squeeze the apples with carrots and ginger.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: Re: |
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| minimim wrote: | | 4am wrote: | as the others said before: even if apples are good, you can't eat just apples every day of your life. (the risk is an apple overdose :wink:)
just try to eat something else for a while and see what happens... |
or just squeeze the apples with carrots and ginger. |
Tomatos have been quite popular in the States lately. 
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pheek
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Part of the problem here is people who are really passionate about a music style that has not much depth. It is totally human to be passionate about music because it is very powerful, sort of like falling in love... and when you're in love, you want to explore that other person as much as possible.
The problem with "minimal" is, its a sub-division of electronic music and in a way, it's pretty new (note: it would be really hard here to put an exact date but let's say the style started in the 90's or so; way later like late 90's for the minimal techno, with Minus' beginning). So being new, you might have the impression that you want to hear everything about the "minimal sound" but you will get around the corner pretty quick, compared to jazz for instance.
The producers who have been bombarding the market with tons of productions in the last 2 years have been, somehow falling into some clichés and formulas, repeating some of the style's elements, driving some to boredom. Since this board is for geek/music lovers, it can be pretty normal that we get to see some people be jaded in the end. Jaded people are usually loud on a board too.
For those, well yeah, go explore some other music styles that has more depth like jazz or classical (or rock). Perhaps leave the techno for the clubs.
That's basically what i do: no techno at home, only in studio or in clubs. I feel better when i hear it - but one point, I'm picky as hell.  |
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I've seen this all before. Only the style was hardcore dance music. (Yes, I used to be into that, guess I found the energy refreshing ) In my opinion, Elektronic dance music seems to be cursed with a certain phenomenon. First, there was jack, and jack had a groove. So far so good. Then someone else had a slightly different groove, and people started calling it a different style. They want to hear more of the same, but it has to stay refreshing... In latin they call this a "contradictio in terminis". It's a contradiction. How can you keep the same sound all the time, yet keep it refreshing? You can't, is the answer. Yet I see more and more styles being born all the time. Personally, I can't keep up with it anymore. And they all "die" or "go back underground" after a few years.
What I'm trying to say is: you can't "milk" a certain sound indefinately. It even seems a bit autistic to me to want to do such a thing. It also seems a bit autistic to me to see people getting rusted into one of these styles, getting upset when it's milked, and totally fall in love with another "style" some time later. Maybe someone should investigate the link between dance music and autism.
What I do is this: I browse all kinds of elektronic dance music sites, download lots of the titles I see there, and just filter through them. Almost like a real DJ (...) I also visit Youtube regularly. There I look up big hits, and see what else the people who posted them have posted. I've really found a few stashed away gems that way, such as Adrian Bahil's "Kemikals". Under 200 vieuws, wtf? Anyway, the older I get, the sillyer it seems to stick to a certain "style". So it doesn't really matter for me if a lot of people are milking a sound, and producing crap, because I'm starting to know my way around when it comes to finding good music. Just don't dig into to much crap to find some gems, or you'll get tired of the gems aswell, that's all. |
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| ec50 wrote: | | Michael^Heaven wrote: |
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"salmonella sundays"?
oh yea i'd love to go there,,,, |
Thought someone might at that! Gotta love photochop-chop. :wink:
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What exactly are you referring to as "depressing" sound? Could it be you're confusing §deep" with "depressing"? I never in my whole life heard a depressing techno or house record, I just have no idea what you are talking about. |
dronedronedroneblonkdronedronedroneblonkdronedronedroneblonk
Don't get me wrong, I do rather enjoy some deep / dark / droney type tracks, and stuff like that is what first got me into minimal techno, but there was a bit of emotion / urgency / tension behind it. This past weekend I heard a set in a club that sounded about 2 steps removed from prog house / circuit music but with that 8am dronedronedronedrone sound.
There was no energy behind it, the elements being layered ontop were just not interesting. There was no sense of tension / build / release or taking you on a journey. Just this oppressive drone-drone-drone-blonk-drone-drone-drone-blonk.
It was exhausting to listen to, instead of being captivating and wanting you to listen to see where it's going to go to next, it left me feeling "god, when is this track going to end?" - musical blue-balls IMO. All buildup (and a boring one at that) with no payoff.
I had more energy after I left the club. |
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Red Kite
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Ah, so it means "boring". Yeah, come to think of it, music can be depressing just by being bad...
But I'd just call it boring. I mean, "depressing" sounds to much like Emo, fake gothic and doom metal...
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| some people on here take this all too serious. |
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